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Good evening, humans.
Today, I bring you Fran, to shake up
fullback who runs the food hacking base
here and does a lot with
fermented foods and aren't
mindset just who
helps him with electronics because
they're building an
automatic incubator?
Enjoy.
OK. Hello, greetings to everyone.
My name is Francis shake up, but
I'm sure I'll go back.
And this is Ahmanson from the
Incognita.
Sorry.
We are today about presenting
a proposal or call for participation
for the experiment, the incubator
project.
This project is basically
about
building a device which
will allow for easy and simple
fermentation.
And we will go through different stages
of what we did already.
There are you now and what are, let's
say, short, medium
and long term goals.
Before we go up, I would like
to present a bit of my
history.
What I do and where I'm coming
from.
I have been traveling around the world
for quite some time.
My parents are both from lodges.
So I studied in the university's
Czech Republic of our land.
Later, I decided that applied research
on the two fundamental research isn't
exactly for me.
So I move on and I started to actually
do. Biotech got in
touch with the Tigers and Noise Bridge.
And during the years I
started really kind of, you know, see
myself position within the
hacker movement, enjoying with its
qualities and
going over some of the not so
good things it happens
at the moment.
I personally,
as a ferment or croissant
person who does fermentation, need
a device to make
my activities more feasible,
more easy.
That's something what I would like to
have, but it's very hard to
get it if you don't build
it by yourself.
So basically, I
started to talk and work
later on with people around the world
on an idea to come
together and create something what would
suit my end proposal of many
other people who have issues
with fermentation?
And that's me presenting fermentation
and promoting them.
I would have that.
So we created
some time ago group, which is called the
base.
We started to be present on some of the
major events like CCC Camp
in Frankfurt.
We have been in AUM lately and come
to the CCC conferences where we
invite people to come and join
us in activities about food and king
brewing cetera.
DIY bio
In our case, I would define
maybe our issues
around
combining the ancient knowledge,
which is here for a very
long time with modern science
and technology.
These group of people and
technology and technologically people are
kind of, you know, in a position many
times they would like to bring them
together.
We also hope to promote
more of the social aspects
of the anchor movement and bring in
basically people in the hackerspaces
in the event to get that through the food
rigs and the interesting things
which I believe
should be follow and developed now.
What is the experience, the incubator
for what purpose we would like to do
something like that?
As I already mentioned, the main
idea is to do fermentation
easily and reliably.
In this case, you would like to grow
cultures.
Some of them are more difficult, somewhat
more easily complex than many varieties,
and we would like to ferment, meaning
that we would like to have products.
You can imagine being in beer, something
what you would like to do.
You need to take care of other microbes,
but it's not sometimes so easy.
So we would like to devise
a device which would improve this
process, and that's
what the experiment incubator should do.
Now, there has been too much text on
this slide about I'm through it quite
quickly.
This is not something to what no
what no one tried before or what doesn't
exist. There are lots of solutions.
I would distinguish them or divide them
in several categories.
One, It's commercial solutions
in that category are high
end.
That means laboratory incubators,
industrial kind of stuff, incubators.
They are well-designed.
They are
reliable and they are not
open source, and they are definitely
not cheap.
Generally, for a home proposal to two
expensive one thousand five hundred
dollars for the problem now after
this, a commercial alternatives which are
cheap, you know them from the eBay
and many other places.
Bread making machine.
Nice example, you can get it $5000,
let's say. Yogurt making machine.
In this case, it's
the design, it's modular, so you need
each machine gently for each thing
down to very reliable in the long term
because they are device not to
basically
be in that way.
And the difficulty, there are no open
source. So that's something of this.
Of course, there are DIY options.
There are many of them
open source, which is great.
Unfortunately, and many of them are
not very well documented.
And even if they are well documented,
you need most of the time quite
pretty good knowledge in
making them happen, making them
work, keeping them up to date and doing
what you want.
So if you are not kind of the heat, you
will have a problem. And many people in
the slow food movement, in fermentation,
they are exactly the people who are as
far from their technology as possible.
So these things kind of
are they are there,
but they are missing something.
What we need now,
give me a second.
I would just open the case of the virus
network.
So if I summarize it, what is
missing and is basically what we want
in a way, we want a device
which will allow us for a variety
of permutations.
So it's not just one fragment, want them
or whatever, they are many.
So you can do many things.
We would like to have something quite
easy to control.
So it's, you know, it has some
decent interface, you know, which you can
go through and you don't have to tinker
with that too much.
Low cost is clear.
And of
course, and that's really kind of
at the core, I would say it
should be easier to replicate.
You should be able if you are on
different parts of the world, do
kind of what we
do for us and use
it, of course, at the beginning to
prototypes. So things are a bit more
challenging, but still this is something
we would like to really keep at really
core. Now, of
course, we would like to do the upgrade
about an open source is clear
principles and guidelines open.
I will go through it quite quickly
because I mentioned some of them already
before.
Open source.
That's for sure,
should be versatile.
Again, I'm repeating myself in this case
because this is very important.
If you would like to have something, what
last? So
many of the devices, both today, as you
know, they do not last for
very long and it is hard to improve
them. They are designed later.
We would like to do something.
What is the opposite,
environmentally friendly that something
we hope and we would like to work
towards.
But let's be honest, at the beginning, we
will have to definitely make compromises
on that because that's, you know,
beautiful future.
But the road towards that is quite pretty
tough with the current, you know,
setup now project
continuity. This means as
most of the people believe, if they like
something and they would like to see it
grow, it should have the future.
So that's part of it.
Well, again, I have to confirm the
wireless network, interestingly.
Next slide I
will quickly talk about what I mentioned
with others in this
case, mostly in South Korea, where I
build basically a first functional
prototype under
the defunding of the academy,
which is a brewing facility
education center of the Kilvey
University.
If I simplify it, I use Arduino
with the help of electronic engineer.
We make it nicely work, measuring the
temperature and switch on
off a basically year circulation
system which make our
incubator heat up the
box to up to
42 degrees.
Cooling was unfortunately not a
success in this case, so he could
go up. We could go down
concerning this.
I like that it worked
even for weeks, so it was quite
disturbing.
It fermented what I needed,
saw or achieved things which I
like.
I wonder what I do wrong in this case,
and
what I didn't like
was, again, the heating
and cooling.
I didn't like that.
The electronic part was not
due out.
It was not basically recorded, documented
in a way which would be easy to replicate
in this case. I'm really grateful for the
help, but it was basically all the wires
around for me, for example, repeated not
the slightest chance as to kind of not
very advanced.
So that was the short form.
Now we have moved forward
and the.
Many thanks to this
movement, to our but instead of the
Mate 30 years ago and we talk about
this, I would say the
for some time and in the last year
we started to relay progress.
So I would like to now ask him about
talking the more difficult details, which
I said, Biotechnologies, I'm going to
do. And he has some knowledge
which I'm missing, and I think that
there's a big chance for the contribution
on this side and positive about
it.
Thank you.
Can everybody hear me? Yeah.
Works fine.
Perfect. So
we've been philosophizing a lot about
how to build something up that you can
replicate easily across the world without
too many things that you need to put
together as a non technologist.
There's a lot of people spread out that
are doing slow cooking fermentation, et
cetera. And the only thing that they
really want to do is get something to
brew and they don't want to be stuck
trying to shoulder a one
hundred and forty four pin FPGA
type thing on a on an SSD board.
It's very strange how people don't like
that type of stuff.
So what we did,
we devised a way of starting
something out that is really
easy for people to get into and
then move forward when it's needed.
If you could put the video
feed of the camera on the screen,
please.
Yeah. Perfect. So this little, very
non charming device is
currently where we stand.
I will show the league
Atari Arduino board that everybody
has laying in their door
by now.
There is a really, really great little
board by the guys from
Def Robot, which
is upside down.
It's a little LCD panel.
It has a couple of switches on it, which
you can buy for around nine dollars
on eBay or somewhere else.
It's well documented.
There are libraries available that will
allow you to interact with the LCD and
the keyboard in such a way that
you will have menus that you can
go down through, etc..
And then there is a very, very simple
board, which is the thing that people
will have to put together by themselves.
Now this board will basically
connect
a temperature probe.
Many people might know this.
This is an encapsulated version of the
Dallas one wire
18 to
20 s or something like that.
I don't know exactly, but you'll find
them everywhere. There are around $4 by
now.
This one is sealed, so you can actually
put it into a fluid, which is great for
fermentation.
We put a plug on the back.
You can put any kind of plug on there
that you want, but it basically allows
you to use this little prototype board
that you buy for two lot two dollars for
the PCB.
A couple of headers.
A couple of jack plugs.
A couple of resistors.
And then you basically have an
infrastructure that will allow you to
use an Arduino to drive
an LCD that you control via
a couple of buttons and that can measure
temperature. Next step, of course, is to
drive some kind of thing that overheats
or cools.
That in itself is also a solid
solution.
This is,
some people might know it's
a solid state relay.
These devices have come down a lot
in in price recently.
This will set you back about six dollars.
It has a connection for
two hundred and forty volts or one
hundred and twenty volts, depending on
where you buy it and what you use it for
on one side and the other side takes
five volts inputs that allows
you to drive high current
twenty five amp current.
In this case, with a device that six
euros, it's optically isolated.
So if anything, spills on one side
and you short circuit your heater or
your fridge or whatever your other
side is still safe. So you already know
connected to your laptop will not fry
the rest of your system.
You encase this in a little
box so that it
basically allows you to just plug it in.
Oh, sorry.
And on the side is the connector that
leads to the prototype PCB.
This is just one way of building it,
and the only thing that I haven't shown
yet is another component that we deemed
important enough, which is
going to be a premade little
board that is fresh in
its shrink wrapping.
There we go.
This is a really nice one.
Also from the guys from Dave Robot.
This is a device
which has a real time clock,
an RTC on it.
You can see it a little crystal on there,
which will allow the device to know
what time of day it is, even when
it's being unplugged.
There's a battery connector on the
back that allows you to be able to
unplug the device, put it somewhere else
in the room, then plug it in and it will
still, no, oh yeah, I wasn't in
this fermentation for free days.
It's now.
This date, so I don't have to continue.
From the beginning, I know where I was in
my fermentation process, an apron on
it so you can store all kinds of programs
and all of our information about the
fermentation that you're doing.
The basic idea is to use
and leverage in an amount of knowledge
and libraries that are available
for these devices and these boards
in the Arduino space.
Currently, it is not
maybe the intention to stick with the
Arduino if the Arduino is too
constricting or too too
expensive because there are cheaper
devices out there.
But as a way of making a prototype that
people can replicate easily and order
the parts for all across the world,
there seems to be the best choice
for now.
So with that in mind,
we've documented a lot of what
we've did already on a wiki.
It's not on your slides.
I think that you put it in your slides.
Not right. So
I can name the name.
It's Wiki Dot Tech Inc Dot and all.
It's related to our hackerspace.
I will supply people who are interested
with the URL.
In particular, if you if you search for
fermentation, you will
find the project page and it has
all these parts there where you can buy
them what they will set you back
and the libraries that you can use
readily made that allow you to interact
with these parts and build
an interface.
The next step up, we have
a little bit of software already that
measures temperature, et cetera, et
cetera. But the next step is to make a
little interfacing library that will
allow you to be able to say, OK, I just
want to know the temperature of
temperature sensor one.
I don't care. And what pin it is
connected. I don't care if it's an
Arduino or beagle bone or a Raspberry Pi,
and in the future, I just want something
that, you know, takes the pain
of programing out of it.
Because the end result of this
stage should be that we can have some
software software, not hardware,
but software tech savvy people
who are into fermentation or slow cooking
or beer brewing, able to
program a device which will safely
let them switch things like 220
volts or pelchat elements and
allow them to create
programs for the fermentation
itself. So a schedule like you should
heat it for 30 minutes or two days,
and then you should cool it down.
It depends on the type of brew that you
want to do and how complex you
want to make it what you
want to do in those programs.
So there might be presets that we allow
people to make and ship all across the
world for the other devices.
But this is basically what this platform
is for the end result.
The final product will probably be a
completely different form factor.
So that's where we are right now.
I think that is all I can say on the
hardware side. Apart from one little
bit, Lars has been really
helpful in doing pioneering
work on elements.
So this is a fermentation
box and incubator box.
It's basically a Styrofoam box, and
this has a little
sorry.
It has a great, uh,
this has a great
pelchat element in the middle, and
the Pelchat element is called on both
sides.
Or yeah, the heat transfer
is done on both sides by cooling
elements. These are just CPU coolers,
and it allows you to take the heat
out of your fermentation
and into the outside world or
the other way around.
The the Styrofoam case
would, in this case, be here.
And then basically a belch element allows
you to transfer heat from one side to the
other in both directions, either
direction by putting
the plus or the minus on different poles
of the device.
Very nice piece of magic technology,
and this is a great little object
that will allow you to displace about.
I think the effectivity is not that much,
but probably 30 watts of energy,
at least at 60 watts inputs.
But that's
that can be used because in some places,
keeping something warm is actually not
the problem. Keeping something cool when
it's getting overheated, like in South
Korea, is actually the challenge.
Here in Germany, it's probably likely the
other way around.
So these types of devices solve that,
and an abstraction layer in
the software will allow you to choose
between all kinds of scenarios where you
might have active cooling, passive
cooling, either solid
state relays to drive a fridge
or heater, or you can use a
pelchat element where you drive
the voltage up or down and then
core heat.
So that's the status right now.
So
thank you very much.
So this is exactly the I
I said,
OK, can I have this green screen?
Not should be, uh, on
the presentation comeback.
Yes.
Yep, yep.
And again.
Yes. Yeah, they're usually
oops.
OK, so I will have to go back where
we have been.
Still, in spite of not
trying to deny that
this is the next one.
Uh huh..
And somehow, I don't move.
Oh, you cannot select this slides there
you need to go.
OK. We are asking the father.
Yup, comprehend it.
Here we go now.
Uh, this is going to be,
uh, I would say, quite
flexible part.
But there are some things which we
ought to know and b which we are
basically doing, and we want to have them
done sooner better.
But we don't want to go too fast.
Uh, short term goals are
we are now promoting the king
here in a conference.
As you can see, we have some parts
of the done. We'll be progressing on
that.
After the conference, I am hitting the
road for five weeks,
touring the different parts of Europe and
across places.
But if you're taking a tour and the
expert, the equator is a big part of
that important.
I need to do my firm.
So it's a basic
we would like to build around
three incubators in different
places and
have them running as a prototype.
Find out what we did well
and what we did.
So it would be actually, let's say,
next month and a half two months
stage, get the three
at least machines
running closer to each
other that would consider design.
Now we would like to monitor
temperature, so we know the temperature
inside and especially outside.
You would like to do the heating so we
can control the temperature.
Cooling would be nice, but if things
don't go so well, we think
I would be happy. For now, it's been
great concern
to people
who would like to have, uh,
three to five people at least to
start to kind of
move it forward.
Things to large arm and the trust
of other people would like to ask you in
the years and you know about things.
You know, I got to improve my knowledge
and get my ideas clear.
We are already underway at the moment.
It looks like that a like
dimension. The main bottleneck
is the software that something
with the programing code.
That's something I think what really will
be the challenging part of the
next, let's say, or
two.
So definitely we would like to get
someone who is either interested
in fermentation as programmer or its
programmer, interested in fermentation,
just kind of the combination of someone
who would like to
join and think,
how much more?
Six. OK.
So we would like to
do something, you know, some medium sized
experiment Typekit,
which you can basically get it
kind of functions like to do well
together.
The heating cooling, that's kind of
something that would be later on.
How long does it take? It's a question,
if you can see that this is, let's say,
2014. So the next year,
I would like to suggest
some crowdsourcing campaign to basically
get us started to get some funds.
So we have actually money which we can
spend on of the prototypes.
And I am always, you know, for
getting basically some support
just, you know, for people who are
working on the projects.
Because if you don't work on what you
kind of like a lot,
you have to work on something else and
working just for the money.
It's not, I think, the best option
now.
We need to grow as a group.
That's something with the city of
Portland, and I would like to really
promote and keep the group, at least for
some time together.
Maritimes, things kind of get thrown in
splits, split new things, you know,
people would like to do something
different, you know, kind of way.
Fine with me.
But I think for this first year or two,
it'd be really nice to keep the
team together and kind of working on
one kind of thing.
Now, softer, considered the softer
there's person I did something with.
You mentioned already long term goals
for 2015 after
this is something kind of a little bit of
kind of a hope and the
desire.
I would like to keep this a kind of
open-source platform, you know, something
that some device which can be taken
forward, it can be improved.
I seems to me that the
really of the open source allows
a really beautiful growth of many
wonderful products.
So I because I believe no puzzles and
I see the feasibility and kind of
progress on many projects out
as you keep it there.
So defensive for that.
Uh, I
would like to invite also people
if they have time on this conference
to pop in for a few days and see actually
a prototype, which
is now in this form of cooling.
So doing exactly the.
Farted in our place, he had ordered that
on, all men work well.
So if you like to see stop in action,
these scum and I already got
a pension in think campaign in the
future, we will be hitting
the road and getting resources.
So just to make the point clear, short
term goals next two months three.
Expand the greatness.
Let's say, build up to that.
We would like to focus differently in
a more and more softer and more
diverse. And that crowdsourcing
campaign long term kind of project
would come together.
We will see how exactly I would like to
ask before, you know?
Well, yeah.
So I have the parts for four of these
devices with me,
minus one solid state relays,
which we should be able to pick up
anywhere.
I believe the cost worked out around
thirty five euros for the whole thing.
If you're interested in in dropping
in into this project and you'd like to
have a base
prototype available to work with, please
contact us at the full docking base
or attacking. We are the ones with the
Leiby fireplace on the first floor.
Ask for me and
we will help you out.
Uh, some of the devices we will have to
move to other hackerspaces around
Europe when you're doing the tour, but
one or two are available for real
enthusiasts who want to drop in.
We'll get you up with a development
set of libraries and reference
material that we have, and
you should be able to get going.
I think that's great.
And thank you for your time.
Thank you, Ron, and thanks to our
last
maybe any questions from the audience
could maybe to the microphones
here. Hello.
Yeah.
OK, you've been talking
about this incubator.
I know what I would like.
What I'm interested in is whether you've
also thought about supporting the growth
of plant in general.
So food hacking, because
many people, I think, are interested in
trying this out and planting their
own food at home and and
the ability to control this with
microcontrollers is very interesting, I
think.
So in this project, it's
mostly about fermentation.
This is also partly my own background.
I would be brewing.
And he, of course, is very
much involved in fermentation as well.
I've done a number of things
with aquaponics
running.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I can't, because it's a clip on like
I am as close as I can be.
Can you hear me?
So basically,
I've done some work on the aquaponics
control systems.
Basically, this could be used
greatly for the same purpose, but you
would have to do a completely different
code base.
But the device can do it.
It's it's not much different the type
of requirements that you have.
You might want to do some extra sensors,
but that's it.
You know, I have a question for
Frantisek.
You mentioned a few times that you're a
biotechnology just so,
you know, fermenting beer
and other things
is relatively harmless.
But do you see
this as a device where
I know there is a biotechnology hacking
movement, at least in the U.S.,
where you would actually ferment
genetically modified organisms?
And do you think that you should
at least put in a word of caution
that this is
a self-replicating biohazard
that you that
could do interesting things to the world
if you flush them down the toilet?
And you probably need
to refer people to Bill Joyce
talk and article
in Wired magazine.
Why the future doesn't need us
pointing out some of these things.
So I would like to know what your
position on that is.
Thank you.
Thank you for the question.
It's kind of an interesting one
in this case.
I have to say that I'm trying to to
avoid the GM or kind of, you know,
discussions, partly because my
background is actually genetic
engineering of plants.
So I had to go through this things
in my time quite deeply.
Just to answer quickly.
This device is
one of the part of basic, but it's
basically variable, so you can
actually use it for
whatever you want.
If you want to do GMO, you'll be able
to do GMO. If you would like to do
natural occurring microbes
basically growing, then you can do that
from my point of view, just to kind of
say my opinion on the so you can use it
for proposals which you decide
the responsibility is on your side.
Of course, it's also hard on my
side to develop something that you can
use for its purpose.
As I understand today, just to say
simply
GMO from my point of view, and
I believe that they are future.
But I definitely do
not believe they are our future.
But this nice future in the hands
of companies like Monsanto and
the corporations, which I think are
showing clearly their lack
of respect of ethics, let's say, and
sometimes even a human right.
So just, you know, that's my opinion on
that, you know, it's more obedient, so I
hope I answer the question.
Next up,
one more question
after that.
So you've got the
sensors and actuation and
sort of microprocessor level control
figured out.
What about the the actual incubator
itself? Because now you've got a heat
source or a heat sink
in this box that you haven't described
at all? And what is
the rest of the incubator look like?
I see you've got a design box, but I'm
limits. It's there's a lot missing
out, to be absolutely honest.
I'm sorry. I forgot to add
two pictures of the prototype in
Korea.
The basic proteomic whatever is done from
India, MDF boards around
so box quite sturdy, heavy,
screwed together insertion material
was polystyrene.
Some proposal would be better,
definitely. And inside was a polyethylene
boards for easy cleaning.
A lot of it has basically cut
and the circulation system through
the ventilators heatsink and,
you know, the fan basically running the
air through.
So for that, it should be on the on the
slide. But more or less kind of
if you can imagine big microwave kind of,
you know, more as
they start, you know, more robust, more
prototypes, so dark.
So dark
in this case. Yes.
No. No, no, no.
Need it.
Well, thank you for your presentation.
And if you
if anyone still has questions, come
to the WHO parking bays and ask
the speaker to
thank you for your time.
Thank you.