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OK. Hello, everyone, I'm Robert, does
this cousin.
And yeah, today we want to talk about
hacking space and
yeah, so that our agenda
I don't know if you can call it an agenda
or table of contents, so to say.
I want to talk about sweepings.
So actually who's Pete's
PDA stands for part time scientist.
That would be us, our team.
What happened so far?
So what have we done?
Not just what have we done it all, but
what have we done, especially in the last
four years and in the last year?
That's something that we want to do.
Very briefly, the introduction and what
happened.
And then that's the most important thing
for today, how you can be a space hacker.
OK, so let's have a look at the part time
scientist, so we're the part
time scientist, a team of scientists and
engineers building space hardware.
So what does this mean?
This means that we take every day
and technology.
So that stuff that maybe you
can even buy at your local electronics
store and some stuff that you probably
will never buy at your local electronics
store like FPGA.
But are still out there and it can still
get your hands on.
And we try to modify them
and get them workable or
get them working in space environments.
So why are we doing
this? Our goal is to lower the entry
barrier to space with technology.
This means that in space
exploration, you have to deal with a
whole lot of extremes.
You have environmental issues.
You have temperature shifts, especially
on the moon of over 250 degrees
in Celsius.
You have radiation environments, which is
over 100 times the amount of radiation
that you have here on Earth.
And you have a whole lot of other issues,
I don't know, like crashing into planets
and stuff. So you need to build
hardware which can withstand this
environment and we can actually do
something. Also, you have some
limitations, have got resources.
And we think that if we have the
right kind of technology which can do the
job better than existing technology,
then you can make things easier.
You can actually get some advancements in
space which are just solely due to the
technology.
And yet also, just in the meantime,
by the end of next year, we hope that
we've developed everything to personally
send a rover to the moon.
That's our goal.
And that's what we try to do as a part
time scientists taking part in the Google
and taxpayers competition.
So, yeah, that that's our goal
and that's what we're doing.
So what do you need to privately get
to the moon, so you need, for example,
a service module that something that
we've designed and you need a landing
module. The service module is what you
can see on the left side.
That's basically the thing.
It's like the upper stage of a rocket,
which gets you all the way from
from right from the right of orbit to the
moon orbit.
And then you have to landing module,
which basically, as the name suggests
itself, is to want this this module,
which gets it down to the lunar surface
safely. So that's actually the unit which
has the right kind of trust us to lower
you to the surface and then gets dropped
and touches down.
And totally, of course, for the fun part.
We have a lunar rover with us that we
want to take to the moon.
That's the Asimov rover.
That's actually an image which shows you
the rover, as we thought it would look
like about a little bit like
40 months ago.
And we have to look inside the
presentation to see how it looks like
today.
So, of course, the rover has its purpose.
It has all kinds of scientific
and nonscientific equipment that's
like pretty cool HD cameras that we
think are important to get onto the moon.
And it has payload capacities, something
that we will talk about later.
So what else do you need to do something
in space, you need rockets in this case,
you need a really big one, because if you
want to go to the moon, you need a rocket
like this one. So this thing looks
huge and it definitely is huge if you
stand right in front of it.
However, compared to the everyday rocket
that you've probably heard of from the
media, like the ones that SpaceX is
building the company with Elon Musk and
Tesla, that's actually
a smaller one, because what we need
to get our mission to space is like two
three point seventy five tons of mass
so that the space X, the fuckin rockets
for actually ten tons and more.
So they are in the category of so-called
heavy launches.
And what we are aiming for is the
category of satellite launch vehicles.
The great thing about satellite launch
vehicles is that they're really cheaply,
cheaply available.
So because they're like, I don't know,
hundreds of satellites being launched all
the time. And this makes it a mass
market. However, it is a challenge for us
to get everything that we've built
to make a mission towards the moon with
only this kind of mass that you have
available, because they really need to
fit everything that you need to fuel your
structure and everything you have in this
little amount of math.
So that means that we have to really
integrate and build stuff
smaller and more lightweight than you
would do with a larger rocket.
OK, so that so much for pets, so
the question is PED's in 2014
or what happened so far?
Let's make a small step back five
years ago, as of today,
we actually kicked off our team and our
idea right here at the CCC
Congress. So it's five years now
later and back then, we presented to you
an idea we actually talked about.
I can't imagine today if we talked about
Suy hours long about
concepts and idea of privately getting to
space.
So and we actually and
the past four years, we actually tried
everything we can to make these ideas
come alive.
And something that we're really proud of
is that at the end of 2014,
we were selected to be one of the
teams being awarded as one of
the six million dollar grant prizes after
Google and some prizes because
a panel of independent judges that
was set up by Google, which consisted of
members from NASA and ESA, they've
looked at all the technology that we've
built in the past years.
And I said, hey, guys, this definitely
is not space hardware.
It's it's not like we would have built
it. But we believe it can work in space.
It can get the job done.
And it was a pretty awesome thing for us.
And just let me just explain
what the job actually is.
So, OK, OK,
so the goal of the Google and X Prize
is that you sent
something, probably a rover
to the moon and you drive around
at least 500 meters and you
transmit back HD video by doing
so. And when you're when
you have done this and then you get like
20 million bucks or the normal 25,
20 million bucks.
And there are also some additional prizes
so that if you're if you're able to drive
like five kilometers, then
you get some more money.
And some if you detect water, you
get some money. And if you drive
to a heritage site like the Apollo site,
you will get some money.
And, um, yeah,
in the end, you can get up to 30 million
US dollars, which sounds like a lot.
But unfortunately, the rocket that we
showed to you, which is like one of the
cheapest, that it's the cheapest, the
cheapest option about. Yeah, it's the
cheapest from the Russians.
And so this one
is like already around about
20 million U.S.
dollars or even more.
So you see there is
there is no we will not be
very rich once we have done
we have sent the rover to the moon.
The mission overall will be much
more expensive than that.
And but what the
what the X Prize Foundation, which is
running the Google Lunar X Prize, wanted
to have to show that the teams
are capable of actually fulfilling
the Google Lunar X Prize in itself.
And so they set out the milestone crisis,
which is a competition within the Google
and takes place where you have to say
to show that there's hardware that you
build should be able
to to drive on the moon.
But don't forget that we will
actually have to land on the moon itself
before we get the money from the Google
and X Prize. So it's not like there's
a competition where at the end
Google is shooting up the rockets and
then you will get the money and all
the rest is done in CGI.
Yeah, and I think that's the main
misunderstanding about the government, is
that it's actually it's not about the
money from Google. It's more like an as
it's called an incentive.
So it incentivizes you to figure
out ideas to actually get your technology
to the moon. And that is what we've been
trying to do the past four years.
So we've compiled a short video and we
were debating if it's maybe too long.
It's a three minute video, but I think
your attention span can do it.
It.
All right.
Don't say the nicest
thing.
It's a nice feeling
to stay low class.
Keep in mind this
is scaring
me.
And Lawsie.
You can claim to
understand when the changes come,
you says
some extra
money.
Go get.
OK, so what?
Everything that you saw, the tests of the
past year, something that I would have
personally never believed about 40
months ago when we were selected for
these additional devices, that
we can do all this test and would
actually pass all of them.
There's something I would have never
believed. I don't know. Put something
on your own and put it on a vibration
table and be sure about it.
It works afterwards. There's definitely
not a feeling that it will have.
And that is something because I just
want to Halad this thing because for me,
because he managed to pass all the
qualification tests that we've put him
through. Asimov of our rovers, my hero
of 2014.
And just to highlight just very few
things that I think are totally awesome
about the technology that we found and
work with in the past is
one thing in this case, for example, is
a 3D printed metal parts.
I don't know of you.
All of you know Tweetie printing.
But one thing, that new thing that we've
explored on our end was Tweedie printing,
in this case aluminum and titanium parts.
So we've worked with a company like
Asalam Solutions who helped us,
for example, to make our wheels and
to camera unit as a camera focused
unit solely when printed part,
which gives off a whole lot of advantages,
something that, for example, I had to
understand. The good thing is that you
can do the cable routings inside the
parts itself.
So it's actually much easier to put the
cable things in there, which is something
that I don't know. If we want to do it on
a scenic part, then you have like 10
parts Indian and so you get just one part
out of it.
So that's something pretty awesome.
And another thing that we were pretty
happy about this year was the
dampening elements of our landing module.
So because, of course, after landing
module, which turns off its engines
above, I think tremulousness would like
something like 20 meters above the
ground. Then it touches
down, which always sounds so softly.
But I don't think falling three meters is
soft.
And so it has the dampening elements
to take off all the load.
And that's something that we've worked
out in with this carbon fiber stock,
together with the guys from the of
space team, which are also building
awesome rockets and a really cool guys.
And yeah. So it's just one of
the few things that we had in our
development, which I think are cool.
And now I want to get over to
the subject. But you get involved,
but I think you forgot something.
OK, I want to I want to emphasize
this little guy, which is our camera,
and you might be wondering why does it
have like three lenses?
So we have we have two
wide angle lenses on
the on the outside and we have one
lens on the inside, on the middle.
And something that's special
about the middle one is that
it's a black and white sensor.
And what you saw in the video was
the color of the field of view that we
are using to, uh, to capture different
wavelengths.
And so this is part of a of a scientific
payload that we are sending to the moon.
But we have a camera that can capture
different wavelengths to to do
analysis of of the stones, of the
material that is composited
that is on the surface of the moon.
And the other ones are just
regular BioProduction color
cameras, which were used for driving
and recreating a 3-D scenery from
wild driving around, which is helpful
for navigation.
Also, we put some of the electronics in
an X-ray because it looks awesome.
Um, yeah.
So but, uh, one of the
things that that we noticed when
we were developing the idea on how to
send our rovers to the moon
is that we had to fix the
solar panel somehow because it can
be tilted.
And one of the problems when you are
sitting on a former
intercontinental missiles, that the
launch is quite heavy,
that you have you have bad vibrations
and not music, but
you have vibrations.
And so those get very high.
And so we need to fix the solar panel.
And so we put a little triangles in here.
And those little triangles
are very interesting because
we call them Tropp container because they
are during the flight.
They are in there to stabilize the solar
panel. But when
the rover drops from the
from the lander, which is like this
height, it drops on the surface, then
they are still in there.
And so we can drive them around
and eventually we can we can
drop them anywhere on the surface.
And so we decided that this is not just
a triangle, but its scientific payload.
And so we have
two rovers that are
attached to the bottom of the of the
lending module and
they drop on the surface and they can
drive and they each have two
truck containers and they
can replace anywhere on the surface of
the moon, which is pretty cool.
So we can, uh, bring a total of 20
kilograms on the surface, which
is not directly attached to the landing
module, but, um, somewhere out
there.
And what this is about is
that we are making the specification
open so that, uh, you
can actually
suggest the payload for us that we want
to, but we are bringing to the surface
of the moon.
Uh, so the specification is that
this triangle almost fits a CubeSat.
So the idea is that if you have any
hardware that has already been proven
in some, uh, in some CubeSat technology,
you can just use it.
And the idea is that
the container sits on the rover,
falls down and then unfolds
so that it sits flat on the surface
and on the on the inside that unfolded,
you have solar panels which give you the,
uh, the energy.
And we will provide you with some you
add that you can use to communicate,
um, with us, um, in
the end.
OK. OK. And so
when we saw what's inside our drop
containers, of course we wanted to use we
have some ideas.
We have actually I have like a thousand
ideas of stuff that I would like to shoot
to the moon and just try
it out also.
So and so that we actually had
some good use already for our drop
container. So that the point is that
we thought it would be a really nice idea
to offer some space to us.
Well, however, let's have a quick look at
what else is part of our unserviced
payload, that stuff that we as want to
bring in.
The very first thing is a lunar regolith,
rapid prototyping demonstration unit or
simply a 3D printer.
So what we are doing and.
Where we build prototypes of is a Swedish
printing unit which is capable of
collecting lunar soil, refining it
and printing small parts
out of it, solely out of the soil without
any binding material. That's a very
important thing because most 3D printers
work with binding material.
Here's the goal to actually only use
energy and lunar soil.
So and this is just a demonstration of
doing something simple, like like a flat
gear in this case.
But the point is, think about the
implications if a demonstration unit like
this works on the moon.
As for me, this really changes
everything. And we've also space
exploration because the biggest challenge
is actually to get stuff somewhere in
space on the moon.
And if it can just build it, there are
large parts of it.
That's a huge fan.
So that's a very important thing as a
payload for me. Another thing which I
really love, I don't know, due to my
technical background on information
storage is the long time
data archive and future, not
mankind retrieval stuff, which basically
means that we want to take a suite
of D, which is
a standard industrial M.D., which is a
technology originally developed by NASA
for one, I think one of the Mars
missions.
And it's a special kind of DVD.
Actually, it's like a DVD that you can
burn and you can actually buy it for
yourself. It's really expensive, but
if you need to store something for a
thousand years or more than your DVD.
The point is why would
what what would we do with it?
Normally I was thinking about Haku.
We take one of these DVDs or we take like
two DVDs, burn the entire Wikipedia,
Wikimedia, everything from state of the
moment of the launch onto it and bring
it to the moon. How awesome is this?
All the knowledge of mankind preserved on
the moon now
thinking one step further.
I was thinking about.
Do you think which of which one
of you in the audience thinks that we can
with DVDs in 30 years from now,
if there is somebody there who says I can
do it, then I give you a 50 years
and then I give you the question.
Think about somebody totally different,
maybe not from Earth.
I don't know, maybe he's from Earth and
doesn't know anything about us, or maybe
he's from somewhere else and he's walking
up to the rover and he's seeing the stuff
and he's thinking like, is this art or is
this trash? I don't know. What is this?
You know? And that brings me up
to the question.
And that's something that we will also
put a proposal out because we haven't
found a solution yet as.
How to make sure that somebody can
actually read the data stored on this and
that, to give you an idea of what we are
thinking about, we want to bring
Sweetenham this with us, Blu ray, a
DVD with us to the moon and
sweet metal plates.
This metal plates are just very thin and
it will be laser later etched
schematics on both sides of this
metal plate.
And now the question is, what do we wide
on this metal plate?
What can you white on a plate on a 10
by 10 centimeter plate that actually
describes how to eat the stuff, you know,
not just how to use a laser to eat it,
but I don't know what is a JPEG file, you
know, stuff like this.
So things that you never think about.
And that's that's, I think, really
exciting. So if you have ideas for this,
also get in touch with us, because we
want to put out a request for ideas
towards universities early next year on
this subject because we haven't found a
good solution. And it's I think it's an
exciting subject.
And then, of course, the usual stuff that
we will take a small plague, flak, token
of friendship and of course, the Google
Express logo because we get magnified.
So, so
much for our stuff.
Now back to your stuff.
OK, so I already said
it, but I really want you to think
of something that
could fit into the container
and that provides an interesting
experiment on the surface of
the moon.
And there are like three
rules for it.
First one, it should be open.
So the idea is that
whatever you do, you make all the designs
available for everyone to read.
And this and the data that
are retrieved will also be, uh,
open for everyone to read.
So if you don't want to lay open
your plans of your doomsday device, um,
you can contact us and make a
proposition that we can't decline
and we will consider it seriously.
We don't accept any horsehead
so far. But, um,
the other thing is it should be
innovative. So sending
your grandma Ts to the surface
of the moon is not really innovative.
So we want to have something that,
um, that has never been done before that
that shows that generates new data
that is interesting and that the
community might be actually really
interested in.
Also, it should be ready by 2016,
which is like tomorrow in terms
of space hardware.
So, um.
The deal is really that we want to
we want to create a platform
for sending
stuff to the surface of
other planets.
We want that everyone can participate
and interesting experiments
and doesn't have to be a university.
And yeah, so
it should be like CubeSat is a
CubeSat has become a format for
for hobbyists to do satellites.
And it's widely accepted as
a format and there's an ecosystem built
around it. And so we want to create
something like this.
And also it should be as easy as taking a
scatter system that's really
shown today earlier.
That should be pretty easy.
Um.
So I give you a few examples
of what we have in mind when we are
talking about this, what you see
here on the on the right hand side is a
sketch of what the Apollo
astronauts, I think it was 17
or something, what they were observing
during the mission.
So when the when the sun was rising,
they saw some
some twilight rays
and they had no idea where it was coming
from. Because if you think about Earth,
you like. Oh, yeah, it's coming from the
clouds, but oh well, there is no
atmosphere there or there isn't
exosphere. It's very thin atmosphere.
And so they were like baffled.
What what could this be?
And there are some good theories about it
that it could be related to some charges
that, uh, some particles are positively
charged, charged and others are negative.
And so they are, um,
they're both positively, um, and
then they are floating, floating
around on, uh, above the ground.
And this is something that, for example,
the LADEE, NASA mission
to try to to explore
and, uh, and so
collected some data about it.
But, uh, on the
on the surface itself, it would be so
much more interesting to
measure the size, the direction and the
speed of the particles, uh,
to understand this
problem, because it is a real problem
for for later missions.
If you are on the, uh, on the moon and
you have a mission where the camera
gets dusty and you don't know why, then
because there's no wind, then
this would be explored, how this happens
and how you can prevent it.
So this is very important for future
missions.
And this is really just an example.
Another example is, um,
you could say, OK, there are many
interesting experiments that, uh,
that are just taking a PCB.
And if you stack them together and
maybe at some spring mechanism
mechanism that, you know, shoots them
around something like this, then
this could be really interesting as well.
So, you know, you can you can propose to
us that you will provide
us with a stack of experiments on your
own.
Also, we explored that you
do some bumps and the seismic,
but don't do that.
We are using as I said, we are using a
former interconnectedness.
And if you put something that can
possibly explode and some people get
very nervous about it,
um, but we are sure that the look
ahead was removed before our mission.
Um, so one of the most
pointless things that I could think of as
a cellular webcam, I mean,
this picture that you can see here is was
taken by Apollo 17 while
they were on their way to, um, to
the moon.
So you could have like a simple webcam
that sits on the moon, takes a picture
of Earth and transmitted back to the same
earth, um, that
is shown in the picture.
Maybe I also can add something.
And you think the webcam is
silly. I agree with you.
It's a simple thing to do, but I think
it has a very good, I don't know, social
impact, if you can. I don't know.
I have a website where people can
actually, I don't know, take their very
own personal picture of the moon or, for
example, to have it in a way that you
have your own image superimposed.
That is something that, for example, high
altitude balloon,
I don't know how to call this guy.
Scientists, engineers doing so.
They they are launching sometimes
balloons, but they have a mirror or a
small LCD where they have images
overlaid, I don't know, from people.
And then they take an image of the earth
in the background.
And if you do something like this on the
moon, I know I think it could be really
huge in a way to to motivate people to
think about space and have their very own
personal image on the moon taken.
And so I think a webcam could, for
example, be a good thing.
And things that I'm personally thinking
of, I really like to fiddle with stuff
like this, that Switch and Raspberry Pi,
for example.
And if you think, you know, you love to
be of similar things and you might say,
I want to get this to be working
on the moon, then that's also a project
and that's actually an advancement.
So if you figure out some way to get this
guy to survive the environment of the
lunar surface, which is possible,
definitely that's something that we've
learned across the last four years.
Definitely everything is possible if you
put your mind to it.
So there's a whole lot of exciting
things that you could do with this.
And we're just giving you the
opportunity.
One of the other things that that comes
to my mind, when we were showing you the
real of all the tests we have done, then
you are seeing that the results on
the various tests, for example, of
radiation, um, because you don't
have an atmosphere, you're bombarded by
all the radiation that is coming
from the mostly the sun or
other particles that are floating around.
And we need
to know what radiation
we actually need to test for.
And so far, there are there are
some measurements done by the Apollo, but
those on Apollo missions, but
they are not very dense.
So we want a radiation
monitor would be very interesting for us
because then we know what
what a typical moon day looks like
from the radiation perspective on
the surface, which can be a bit different
than then from the orbit because
you have some particles that are
not particles. But, um,
so anyway, it would be interesting for
us. Um, yeah.
So if you are interested in
sending something from space,
know something from Earth to space
with us, uh, in the top container,
we will publicly release a
kind of a vacuum for,
uh, for everything need to know at the
15th of January.
You can also bookmark this page or you
can visit it now, um, where you can
find some information or you can contact
us in any meaningful way.
Or you can specifically send to space
LPT scientists dot com.
And actually, a special thing is that,
as I said, will be released on the 15th,
but this is really a chance to be a
little bit ahead of everybody else,
because what you hear in the audience are
the only ones who know about this
opportunity and everybody else on the
Internet.
The point is, actually, I
think it's a good time
to think about what you can actually do
if you can send something to the moon.
And I'm personally angry.
As I said, I'm an IT guy, so I'm
more fascinated with things like
protocols, for example.
And I know if I would like to build the
lunar webcam, then I was thinking about
how to get the data back and how would it
like transmission wise going forward
and stuff like this.
So there's a whole lot of awesome.
Yeah. You know, it's for you, it's just
bits and electronics.
So the point is, I don't think there's a
whole lot of fascinating things that you
can do with it and think about
this opportunity. And maybe you have
already built something in the past that
you would love to see on the moon or
working on the moon.
It doesn't have to be radiation monitor
because I wouldn't be able to build one.
But but if you are built one, definitely.
OK, um, so
one of the things that we want to show
you, um, uh, is a little teaser
of what we have done, uh,
in the very last freakier
last week. Exactly.
Um, I just saw in the last
picture, um, in the last video, in the
end we were not quite happy about
the quality of, uh, of
the images that were coming back from our
camera.
But we were driving around and so we
wanted to remove all humans from
Netherton, from Earth, but at least from
the camera view, and
wanted to create really awesome pictures.
And for that, we did something
pretty cool. And we have a small video
about that as well.
I my lines
old.
So that is how proper rocket science
looks like when you are doing it on the
river to get the highest
possible quality of pictures
and we were very satisfied with the
results. We are so close to totally
fake the mission on the lunar
surface.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so if you have
any questions for us, yeah, you
can come to the microphones
and ask.
Yes, thank you very much.
It was a very awesome, impressive
talk. I'm really, really eager to do
something.
I hope I can figure out something.
And I think you guys also.
So please line up with the microphone,
ask some tough questions, because it is
really an awesome project over
there. We have the IOC guy.
Yes.
The first question is
whether there will be some
legendaries, which will be
Hindenburg's obstacle
problems by law.
Oh, for what?
There are many problems by law.
I mean women's access
in the heritage side specifically.
Maybe I can answer this.
Let's let's answer that for the heritage
sites and heritage site in this case
means the Apollo landing site.
And as we're going towards Apollo 17,
there are some specific rules.
And we actually I actually was the one
who said it is very powerful working with
NASA scientists out these rules and
there are some keep out zones and stuff
like simple things that make totally
sense. For example, don't drive over
the footsteps from Apollo astronauts.
So I really don't like this, so don't do
it. And other stuff.
For example, if you have a landing
module, don't have above the Apollo
landing module. They also don't like
this. You know, it's rules that make
sense, that stuff that you need to keep
in mind that's on the legal side.
However, you have to understand one
thing. There's really nobody
who can enforce these rules.
So it's it's
it's a delicate thing with space.
It's probably get to ban from traveling
to the U.S. ever in your life again.
So so you will be be careful.
And also, of course, there's things that
you definitely I don't know if a normal
human being would not be putting
sinfully on the moon. I don't know, like
a bottle of Coca-Cola or stuff like this,
because you contaminate the surface.
You know, really it's stuff that,
you know, that doesn't make sense.
But like said, well, it depends if
Coca-Cola gives you the money, then.
Yes.
So there's a Planetary Protection Act
which requires you to clean
your spacecraft so that you're not
surprised by finding humans, the
earthbound life when you're
going there later.
Thank you.
Number two, please.
I have a question about your drop
containers, how to get data back
from them and how much power was
available from the solar arrays
there.
I think that's I don't remember the poll
exactly, but the
data connection will be like like a
you are not really not
high Bendel's like megabits, but
probably more like we're
up to one megabit.
I would say something like this.
And the solar panel, I mean, you can you
can calculate the size of it's like
the size of a CubeSat.
And the advantage on the moon
is that you don't have the
atmosphere, which really sucks most of
the energy out of the of the sunlight.
So even if it's even
it's a small, um,
solar panel, it generates surprisingly
much energy also.
So but you will find more information
about all the detailed specs on the
website that we will just linked.
And also, of course, maybe but is
something that we haven't decided on
carrying on the integration thing.
But it's actually the chance that you can
have some batteries with you.
But then we need to. And that is
something that always works in a dialog,
because if you say I want to do this
awesome thing on the moon and I need like
this peak of power consumption and I
would like to have a better way with me,
that's totally fine.
But somebody needs to charge the battery.
In this case, it would need to be our
rover. And then we need to talk about
something that's definitely doable.
We just need the right kind of interfaces
on our end, you know? So like the power
connectors.
Yeah, we want to we want to collect all
the crazy ideas that you have and then
you want to select a few ones that
are not as crazy, that
are actually possible. And we
will provide you with was
an outline of what steps you need to
take. For example, one of the things
that we did with our rover is that we
tested for vibration, which is
not just because it's funny to look at,
but also because it
needs to survive the launch of the
rocket. And obviously
you need to do those tests as well.
So you need to make sure that it works
with the radiation that it
works with, with the vibration during
the launch and that
it actually works in
an affirmative action.
And yeah, all the
integration step of all those components
is really the toughest part.
Uh, as David in previous talk
was outlining, you know, there there are
a million things that can go wrong during
integration. And so
we need to handle those cases properly.
The good thing about the payload is
just that it's not mission critical.
That's the big difference.
So, for example, if our rover fails the
radiation test and we know that it will
break down in 10 seconds after landing,
then that's a problem.
You know, but I don't know if you are if
we see that it's may be or may not
be like, say, 80 percent chance
that that your experiment will die in
10 hours due to an radiation fault, which
is likely, for example, if you shoot.
It was very powerful that it can happen
because it's not protected against it's
not built for the sign of things, but
it's a game of statistics.
You know, it could work like one week,
but it could fail in 10 minutes.
Also fail are very is is a very
interesting data point.
You know, this is what
you're always say when something fails.
Oh, that's interesting.
Thank you. Number one, please.
Oh, thanks for the talk.
And perhaps a silly question about
the construction of these rovers in
general. I mean, more or less, every
rover I've seen uses this
signal on wheels driven by a single
motor. And it looks very, very
fragile.
Why not build it more tank like that
with huge tracks and everything?
Would that be too inflexible
or does rubber not work in my car?
I have to add one non-technical comment.
Just let me do it, because the
thing that I've noticed about the rover
is it looks like today it's for me, it's
definitely not fragile.
It's like a tank.
You know, it's I don't know if it falls
on your foot and you definitely require I
don't know. It's really it's I don't
know. It does not look like something
that would break easily.
But the answer to your question is
rather simple.
One of the things that you have on the
surface of the moon is called the lunar
Regulus, which is very, very,
extremely fine dust.
And the Apollo astronauts, when
they were jumping around and having fun
on the moon, they were coming back into
the ship and they put off the glove
and they had like fingers, which was the
dust that got through their
suit onto their hands.
And this is actually almost the answer to
your question, because if you have a
chain, then you have many parts
that can that have to,
uh, but have to work mechanically
and you want to expose as
little mechanical parts moving parts
as possible, which is why it's
the same reason why we have a four wheel
configuration.
Um, basically.
OK, makes sense. Thanks.
Thank you. From please.
Yes.
There are some suggestions for payloads.
So maybe what about
a lightweight seismic detector to
who study the interior.
Many of the moon maybe.
What kind of activity.
Yeah actually that is a very awesome idea
that I've been talking about with some
guys from JPL.
Some I think like two years ago, they've
been talking. They came to us and we
talked to. This idea, and they actually
ask us, is something that we've never
really followed up because they had too
much to do on our and we.
And because the initial request was
if we can put some seismic detectors
on the landing legs of Delenda.
So that was the initial idea, but then
they figured out actually it would make
much more sense to have far
across stretch data points.
So in this case, I think maybe
maybe somebody can actually propose to us
because we have it on the radar and
actually in the schedule, because maybe
it makes sense to integrate
if it's a small unit in every drop
container.
So you have a distributed data
collection point, but it's
a good idea.
So this was what I was referring to with
the bomb to come back to the topic,
because if you are if you're detonating
something, then it creates
an effect on the on the surface.
And if you have seismic measurement
points, then you can draw conclusions
from the, uh, from the underground.
I was told by scientists that know
something about it.
Yeah. Actually, that is the reason why,
for example, it was very interesting for
NASA to actually be
very sure when something that the stuff
that was orbiting the moon falls down
again because at some point it will fall
down, it will crash in.
If you have something orbiting and if the
fuel runs out, then it's very important
to understand when it hits some point
to see the seismic effect of it on the
sensors.
And I think this I don't know the
details, but I think that is one of the
data sets that one does not
the term, but it's not very good from
the Apollo missions.
It's not very they collected a lot of
seismic data, but it's not really I
don't know that they're not happy with it
because they think that's an inconclusive
or something got lost or that, you
know, when you're just a human on the
moon and you only have a limited time to
work on the surface, then some
experiments are just maybe not set up so
well.
So.
Yes, thank you.
Number two, please.
Well, first of all, congratulations on
winning the milestone prize
and I would like to ask a couple of
questions on your over how fast
is your rover driving and
what is the transformation of
data from the rover?
I mean, what bandwidth are you seeing and
what is the maximum slope that you can
climb with the rover?
And how are you navigating it?
OK, OK.
Um, so we we did some testing
at Teneriffe and the top speed that we
got was like two kilometers per hour,
which is not something that I recommend
to drive on the moon.
Um, because the problem is that
that you actually have like one
and a half seconds that it takes from the
signal from Earth to arrive on the moon.
And then you have another one and a half
second that it takes until you see,
um, the what you have done.
And so this may be, uh,
this is why the reason why we're not
driving like 50 kilometers per hour, but,
uh, we are realistically more
expecting to be slower.
And we also tested various
slopes that, uh, that we can climb up.
And it absolutely depends on the
terrain that we are, um, that we are
driving on.
Um, we we did some
High-Resolution calculations with
some high resolution analysis of the data
that we have from the Apollo 17 landing
site. And we determined that
it's sufficient to climb up a slope of
ten degree, um, because
this is the maximum that we are
that we can see from the data that we
have from the landing site.
And, uh, in our test, we
we were able to drive up to 10
degrees. Yes.
And the other one was navigating
it. And what is the band?
Um, I would ignore the navigation.
Um, so the Bandera's we
are planning to have is um.
So in the 500 meters we
will have a very high bandwidth.
It's very easy to do.
But as we are getting more outside,
uh, for example, for reaching the five
kilometers, um, we are planning
to have at least two megabits
per second, um, which
is sufficient for some
good quality, uh, video stream
coming coming back from the rover
and navigation.
Well, there is no GPS there,
unfortunately, but, um,
this will be done by building a map
from the uh, from the images.
There's not much that you can do.
One point navigation or.
Oh no, it's a remote control.
It's a it's a fancy remote controlled
car. Was was an optional
payload for autonomous navigation.
So we are working, for example, was was
a deal which have an autonomous mode
and they would be interested in in having
that on the rover.
But it's an optional module funds for
us. Uh, because if we can if we
can autonomously, we can drive, um,
much faster than if we are just remote
control.
Yeah. And to design, top speed
is three point six kilometers.
That is design one.
And it's really hard to test it out on
Earth because you have the difference in
one sixth of gravity, you know, so we
really can't easily it's the same thing
for the slope.
If you think we did an analysis
for the slopes on the moon for 10 degrees
and look at it, but you can't really say
if it can climb by 10 degrees slope on
Earth, it's the same as being climbing on
the moon. That's a different thing.
So one thing that we did is we went to a
very special lunar lab at the DLR.
It's I think it is called Planetary
Exploration Laboratory, where they
have some realistic volcanic sand, which
simulates the characteristics, a bit of
the lunar soul.
And it really means that the rover,
for example, can at a certain point
itself into the ground or just
to drift down from
a slope site.
That's also something to see if you're
not just climbing a slope and just
upwards, but also traveling at sidewards
and see what happens if the rover just
drifts down.
And those results were conclusive.
Yeah, actually, they were quite happy
with the way that no situation
where they got totally stuck and couldn't
free itself or something like this.
Have this the advantage of the four wheel
configuration that we have because we can
turn all the wheels independently.
Um, this is this helps us to,
um, just, uh, undo
the fuckups that we did.
So, um, also we have,
uh, we have an active passive, um,
suspension system. So, um, if
one of the vehicles loses contact with
the surface, we can we can lower it
or higher it and, um, recreate
full contact. So this also helps
to undo the effect
of passive suspension.
So it already has some it has some
strength in it.
So it already does this on its own.
But we can actually adjust this motors
additionally.
Thank you. Um, no, no.
Four, please.
But, uh, thanks for the great torque.
Um.
Two questions, Tushar questions.
First one is which kind of propulsion
are you want to use for for the lander
landing module?
Yes, yes,
uh, sir, there is the right
guy to ask an
audience, uh, so but you can ask him
this question after.
But let's answer it later.
Yeah, OK.
Just understand, to answer the question
in one way, definitive we're using
towards a propulsion system are totally
off the shelf components because
something that we've agreed on earlier
on, as much as we love rocket science,
we think that doing all of this
and then designing rocket motors, it's
too much so we've done to find
if we buy off the shelf.
But you can have a discussion about it,
but then again, I've been told from
reliable sources that just
one thing is ball tangs costs
one million dollars.
So how much? 5.1 million?
No, that's that's too much.
But the point is, if
they paid if you have to pay this much,
Dana, definitely scaring you that.
Yeah, but it's much it's much less than
this, but it's still way too expensive
for any normal person.
So I think that's the next big thing to
tackle. And I can tell you that a whole
lot of hacker spaces that I've got in
touch with over the past year actually
working on designing smaller propulsion
systems for more like access
to others, like control trusses and stuff
like this, not the big ones, you know,
and for the landing module, you need to
really trust something that is very
powerful to to decrease the
speed, you know, that you have at the
point when you're in low moon orbit.
So and that's really something that's
been done many times before.
For example, for the ATV module
that's approaching the ice, you know,
that has the same requirements as our
landing module.
And you can simply buy these parts and
they're not costing five million, not
even total.
But anyway, the mission is expensive.
There is no way around that.
You know what I was pointing
for? Where do you get it from?
What do you get? Actually, the money from
when you just get it?
Yeah, OK.
And it's actually two simple answers from
sponsors. So most of the
initial money that we've had in years was
from us themselves.
And of course it is also the same
still applies.
And of course, then from people
sponsoring us.
So I don't know.
Most of the time we're doing with
companies like Symbiosis,
it's always a give and take.
So it's not just that we go to a company
like Wettenhall and say, hey, guys, we
want to put your sticker on there, give
us 100 million on stuff like this.
It's it's something that I don't know if
I ask you, you would say, yeah, what it
been, I take it. But personally,
for me, that's not the right way to go.
You know, that's like marketing only
that's the head of NASA
actually said that he would be happy to
have certainly a Mars mission funded
by Coca-Cola. He just made it as an
example.
I don't think it's not a good thing.
I think it's OK. It can work out from a
marketing perspective.
It's awesome. You know, it's like the
Olympics or stuff like this.
I think it's better if you have a
corporation partner. That's what we have
a at many like SLM
Solutions to company with the Swedish
printed plus, for example, they're giving
us money and they're also giving us
technology. So we're getting to parts and
we're getting the right kind of funding
to continue our work, which is awesome.
It's a good combination.
What they get back from it.
It's the right kind of learning on how
to build space parts, you know, because
that's a different thing even for them,
because I don't know, they're currently
designing for, like the medical industry,
parts of producing parts.
And now they can actually produce parts
that we test for space applications
and it gives them the advantage.
It's not just for them. It's also for
companies like Invidia that we're working
with. So these companies can actually
step up and say, hey, guys, we have this
technology that's normally forty, let's
say standard open market, but has to
group out and used our technology
and put it to all the test to work on
the moon. And it worked.
So it's a very good statement for these
guys as well.
It's like technology marketing, if you
want to say it.
The reason for them to give us money,
which I like.
Thank you. Next question from Iasi,
please.
Yes, so
what's about the dust on the
lens of the rover?
Do you have anything to wipe?
That is the problem.
Do I have anything to clean the lenses,
maybe vibrations?
Um, we as far
so we looked at all the data that we
have. So there's a lunar sourcebook
because it was a very, very comprehensive
book about everything that we know about,
um, about the moon from all the missions
that were sent to the moon.
And as far as we can see is
that at the height of the,
um, of the lenses, we don't expect to be
to have any significant amount of
floating particles that could settle
on the lenses. So we have, um,
right now, we don't have any cleaning
mechanisms on there and we don't
plan to have them.
Is there a problem
which was mentioned could be
electrostatic and
a..
Yeah, this Elektra's the electrostatic
mechanism.
Electro static effect is the
one that keeps the particles floating,
but not an insignificant amount that
we really have to take care of them.
One thing that we did also as part of
this year's testing was subsequent
so-called lunar dust evaluations,
because as I mentioned, we've tested in a
planetary exploration lab which had
soil similar to lunar dust.
And it was really, really dusty.
I think I saw it in the video and
it was really everything was dusty.
Even the lenses were covered with dust.
But they still and that's the important
thing. They still provided a good enough
image quality, far exceeding what was
required.
So that that's OK.
And that was after, like, I don't know,
eight hours of testimony.
Three days. Three full days.
We did after three days.
OK, thank you. Number six, please.
Thank you for your time.
I've got two questions.
The first one is a technical one.
Um, the solar cell
is just turning on one axis.
Did you consider trying to access or
why do you consider just one axis?
Mostly because of mechanical stability
and reducing the number of movable
parts. The problem is when you're
launching, you have those
you have the accelerations from the,
um, from the launch and
the build, something that is tilted along
on two parts to exercise,
um, mechanically less stable than
if you just have one axis.
Um, the way we are driving
on the moon is really
we are adjusting it to the sun and
then we are driving was
it was just this is why we
have the camera that can tilt in any
direction. And because we have to build
that can drive in any direction, we can
drive like this.
OK, thank you. The second one is
what's Google's role in all this?
We have to give out all your plans and
schematics or something.
Yeah, maybe I can answer this.
So actually, you have to think about
Google is just the so-called logo
sponsor. So where does this idea of
the GDP come from?
It comes actually from the so-called Otik
price. And what's the great thing about
Otik? Nobody knows him.
So who was Raymond hottie?
Weyman Atik was a hotel millionaire.
We actually started his life herding
sheep. You know, this guy build up a
hotel was one and one time, I
think, in the in
the forest or so. He was really famous
for having his hotel.
I can get this hotel, Lafayette in New
York. And at
one point there was a conference where
people was debating at his hotel,
but people were debating.
It's totally impossible to ever cross
the Atlantic Ocean with an airplane.
And because it was hosted in his hotel,
was attending this conference and he was
like, is it really impossible?
Can if it wasn't as
I said, he was herding Cheves when you
started his life and now he wasn't hotel
millionaire. So he was really nobody for
believing in the word impossible.
So he said at that very day that he was
awarding a very large amount of money
back then to the first person to prove
him wrong.
That was your ticket price.
And you don't know Waymond or you know
him now. But who do we know?
You know Charles Lindbergh.
Charles Lindbergh. That's the guy who won
the Artic place.
And he's the one who really changed it
to like the kind of aviation industry
five years after Charles Lindbergh
won the air, did it is Artic price.
We had an aviation industry where you can
actually not just cross the Atlantic, but
you can travel all around the world.
And today you can travel to Majorca for
less than forty bucks.
So that's that's the point.
That's what Google is doing, is giving
the incentive. They're just giving the
money. And the only thing that they want
is that I mentioned this place.
You know, there will be a plague with
their name on it, but that's the only
white that they have to have to wait for
us to have their logo on this thing.
But that's it.
We don't have to give them our
schematics, details.
I don't know if they really want to
kickstart the private new space industry,
as it's called.
That's their motivation.
OK, thank you.
Thank you. Number two, please.
Hi. So thanks for the talk.
I have a suggestion for the
DVD specification.
I don't think you need G.P.A.
and everything.
Explained on the little metal plate, I
think you can just say
this, this contains a binary spiral
of information and the first 300
rounds are in Morse code or obscure
UTF eight or whatever.
And then you can and then you
and then you can explain the rest of
the DVD already.
So, yeah, that makes total sense.
But the point is, I don't know how to
make the starting point.
I don't know. It's really
we definitely have to talk about this.
And I'm really looking forward to that
suggestion because
maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't know
how to describe to you how to read a DVD,
even not after reading Wikipedia.
I think in 50 years you can just read it
with a microscope or something.
And the point is, I don't know, it's a
silly thing. But if you're talking about
a future person for mankind, like in 50
years, then it might be make might
be possible to explain to them to use a
laser to weed out the thing.
But if somebody is coming up and it has
no idea what this thing is, I don't know
if he's pointing a laser at it.
And at different point of power level,
you know, then there's a hole in there,
just one more.
And that's that's the point.
And it's a total data loss.
And I don't know how to figure stuff like
this out, how to make sure use the laser,
use it with this power level.
And this actually means power level.
You know, I don't know.
It's complicated.
Maybe they don't need a laser, just a
3D scanner or something.
Yeah.
Yeah, I.
OK, thank you.
A question of my, you
know, to maybe small questions.
First, you
said you want to take a flat
or the flat where you may want
to take it.
Which flag.
More like in, let's say, an open flag,
so it's not something
like it can reflect that, something that
we would never do. Also something that we
could not do because it wouldn't be
reflecting PBS, because
PBS is not we're based in Germany,
but we're really not a German team of
rockets. And we have people from the
Apollo program who actually
worked on astronauts getting to the moon,
part of our team from the U.S.
We have people from Austria, of course,
and we have people from France.
So there's no single
country flag that we could put.
There would be more like in mankind flag,
like the maybe the CCC logo, if it makes
sense.
Yes. And and another small question,
would it be possible to carry liquids
to the moon in the storage containers,
so to liquids.
That's that's a very special topic.
I don't know. The only scenario that I
could think of something that an idea
that I read on the Internet is that
people were thinking about actually
bringing plants in a small unit
to the moon and actually try to grow them
there, you know, like a full package with
a plan and some air and stuff like this
and see how it goes on the moon.
Actually, that's stuff that is really,
really exciting for companies like Bayer.
I know that they they are doing some
bacteria experiments in space a whole
lot.
And that's where I could think about
liquids on the moon.
But as I mentioned earlier, with
Coca-Cola, it's,
I don't know, highly debatable if it
makes sense to bring a bottle of
Coca-Cola to the moon because it's
polluting the surface if something goes
wrong anyway.
But if it passes into the boring
answer is actually if it passes in the
the array of tests,
then it should be OK if it doesn't leave
the containment, you know.
But maybe what's the purpose then?
Yeah, one last question, please.
Yes, um,
you know what?
Science wasn't
being done on the moon.
What should be. What do you think that
should be done about science on the moon?
I can throw the question back to you.
That's the question. If we're putting out
there, what do you think needs to be done
on the moon or what do you have in mind
that you would like to do on the moon?
Because there's there's a number of
things that has been done on the moon,
but it's really not that much.
The thing is, there are there
are so many things that are unknown about
the lunar surface or the moon
on itself that
that there's there are so many
experiments that you can do that
that would be interesting that we really
have to select from an array of
of experiments, because all
we have seen is a small area that is
as big as what was it.
I don't know if it was a dorm room.
Yeah, something like this. It's really
it's a really small area that we have
explored on the moon compared
to two other planets
like Mars and which is fully inhabited by
rovers.
And one thing to add on this,
even the smallest scientific experiment
that you could think of could actually
change the entire course of history and
the cause of space exploration.
That's really exciting.
As I mentioned, the sweetly pointed at
something that's really chilling for me
to be able to produce parts on other
planets solely consisting out
of the material from this planet and just
energy that's exciting.
And other ideas like this out around.
We want to I don't want you to step
forward and think about it.
Yeah. Thank you very much.
It was a very impressive speech.
I still have goosebumps all over.
I hope you, too. And I really
like the idea to have a C.C.C.
flick on a moon. And we can
really make some some changes, some
history. So I would just
give these guys a huge amount of applause
because it was very awesome.