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Yeah, thank you very much for the
introduction. It's also a pleasure to be
here again since last year,
also gave a talk and
I just yeah, it's about hot dry.
It's it's about crushing hard drives.
And we just, uh, we'll start off
with this beautiful video.
Ideal presents
the ideal oh one oh one
HDB hard drive punch.
Did you know that hard drives aren't just
installed in PCs and laptops,
but also in printers and copiers,
which store data from the first time they
are used once they are no
longer needed.
Simple deletion or overwriting will not
completely erase the information
at the push of a button.
The ideal oh one oh one punches
a metal bolt through the hard drive,
making it impossible to reuse
or reconstruct the drive.
The stainless steel insertion slot
is easily adjustable, with the handy
feature slide to fit.
Standard drive sizes of two and a half
or three and a half inches
are innovative, easy switch control
elements ensure simple and intuitive
operation.
The electronically controlled,
transparent safety shield and the feed
opening is part of the space
safety package guaranteeing
optimum operational safety.
The metal punch bolt is exchangeable
and made of hardened, nickel plated
steel.
The quiet, very powerful six hundred
and forty one single phase motor
with a twin drive system provides
a combination of high performance
and durability.
After punching, the hard drives
are collected in a handy container until
they can be disposed of.
You can use this innovative machine.
So, uh, is there anybody here who
maybe wants to punch across a hot
drive tonight?
Over there, yeah, please come here.
So you have a hard drive with you, you
want to crush.
Technically speaking,
I thought,
oh, somebody else over here wants to
crash your hard drive.
Yes, please come on stage.
So, yeah, just
go ahead and sit here, we
just saw how it works.
Yes, yes, please.
Still working.
Just one by one, please.
Yes.
There you go.
OK, so my concern is crushing your heart
race. We're going to check the other
videos.
Turn the power off,
pull it out. Let's have a look.
Well, that's what twelve
thousand pounds of pressure is going to
do to your hard drive.
Now, don't forget, the NSA
does require that you do out your
hard drive first, totally erase it, then
physically destroy it.
And with the system, you're getting
quality, you're getting durability.
And that's what's going to make this
machine last a very long time.
Thanks for watching. I'm Holly with
modern machines.
Yeah. So as you can see, there's a whole
series of machines and I'm just going to
a few show a few tonight, which
are only dedicated to destroy
hard drives.
Um, I think yeah.
It's really interesting that these
machines do exist on such
a level.
Ben folds and shatters the platters
and circuitry of the drives, rendering
it unusable with
a large chamber size.
The DB six thousand can accommodate
multiple laptop drives up to
eight at once for simultaneous
destruction, a throughput of up
to thirty six hundred hard drives per
hour or greater
performance and speed.
Good luck. Bedrail powered mode.
Simply remove and stow the handle, attach
the supply adapter and cordless
drill to power the unit.
Besides allowing users to choose between
manual underpowered mode, the DB
six thousand is ambidextrous and converts
from right handed to left handed
operation.
In seconds,
the DB six thousand offers the
reliability and performance you seek in
a hard drive destruction device
and the DB six thousand requires
no electricity so it can be used any
time anywhere.
Compact, lightweight and versatile,
the DB 6000 is perfect for onsite
Irmo.
OK, this goes on forever.
Um, yeah, just like
these beautiful machines.
And I kind of opposed
to like brutal destruction.
Just the fact that you have that we have
machines who are very clean, who have all
the safety but, um, and
compliant with the body and uh.
And it's a, uh, certificate's
so, um, it's all packed in there
and it's it's very clean, but it's doing
this very archaic process of just
crashing the drive because after
the lifetime of this drive of
the new device we have and
when you want to get rid of it, like you
need actually to destroy that device
to be sure that nobody else gets the
data on it.
And this is like kind of a paradox most
people in the consumer world don't think
about.
Um, and that's a whole
other bunch of, uh.
Yeah. Of these devices are going to show
a few more.
Um, the six thousand is
really beautiful. Um, it also has
a brother,
um, degassing device.
And when it comes to degassing, well
everybody knows degassing.
Right. I mean it's a very exciting.
This is not the right video that's,
uh,
golfing.
Yeah, great gladness,
oh.
But the thing is,
degassing is very boring because
you can't see it, right?
I mean, there's nothing happening.
It's like, again, similar to the other
devices, but it's just
a crank and you crank it in there and you
crank it out there.
And then the big question is and also the
problem is you need to put stickers
which says degassed, right.
So when the clerk or
the staff is coming from the basement
with all the stickers on the drives,
like, yeah, they're degassed.
Good. Well,
you're not sure about it.
So what they're really professional
companies do and
they go to places like
this.
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Every drives serial number is scanned and
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And we guarantee your data is safe and
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We are also one of the few companies with
professional liability insurance to
ensure you are always protected and
auditable.
Report is then provided of all the serial
numbers of the destroyed drives, as well
as a DVD of them being shredded.
Our no landfill policy ensures the scrap
is reused in an environmentally friendly
way.
Fast, efficient, dog
compliant, auditable, insured
and environmentally friendly liquid
technology is the answer to all of your
hard drive shredding needs.
So would you trust them, like
on the chain of bringing out the drives
and yeah, shredding is the big thing,
so.
But me, for example, like trusting,
yeah, would you trust them because
there's people like me going to
recycling, just getting a box
full of hundreds of
hard drives I made
out with. And so, yeah,
there's like this whole question, how to
get rid of data, how to make it properly.
There's different solutions,
a few more.
The manual punch system, hard
disk, Terminator, and you can
see the price ranges between like one
thousand five hundred up to a thousand.
These machines cost quite they're quite
costly.
This is a very manual process, too.
I like it. It's like a press.
You punch it in there and it's a
Terminator, right?
So where where do we know
this picture from another shot
video should be.
The justices in my office,
so this is our friend destroying
the Skynet computer or the
processor, right, that
it all started very early back then.
Um, for example, the
sledgehammer manual, hard drive.
So another crusher, it's a
yeah. Looks like a press, right.
Like an apple press. Somehow it's a
thousand dollars.
Well, then you go to customers
also view this item and
you get a grisly Arbor press for
eighty three dollars.
It's interesting.
So there's a there's a market for these
machines, but also a quite small market.
And they take advantage
of that, especially with these like,
dude compliant stuff.
There's a bunch of nice manual kits.
This is another and it's
a compliant kit for seven hundred fifty
bucks.
It's um.
Yeah. They also they promise
you 30 to 50 drives per
hour with a set
like this.
Well there's a there's a magnet within
there, but I have the I have the same
tools downstairs and the seabass
area and we're going to do workshops
tomorrow so you can prove
how fast you are if you manage to
destroy a 50 hard drives and then our.
And, of course, like the all the
best methods you find on YouTube, right?
So this was all the professional stuff,
but the most beautiful methods
are all together on YouTube.
And Danny, here I got to go.
I'm going to get down to.
Yeah, so there's all these versions.
And you can tell I mean, in
in opposition to the professional models,
here is all about also a lot about the
joy of destroying something and
that's the human temper coming in
a very common and the most
well known method is the classic
hammer is also
known as the Sebastiani dating method,
something he tried.
Right.
It didn't really help him much.
Um, and often very often people
like to open drives and
have the drive running and then starting
to fiddle with the disc with a platter.
And there there's also artists
making great artworks.
Wait, I mean.
No, no mixing up
things.
OK, where's, um,
that video's not existing.
OK.
This guy, well, he's really
doing a nice painting on the desk, I
should have checked the movies, um,
you can drill the disc.
The disc drilling is a bit of a problem
because when you do, like, a really clean
drill in there and the disc is not
bending, you still can
read on there.
So it really needs some
some force and deforming of the platter.
And that's a nice machine
downstairs.
I haven't seen it in action yet and I
were very interested to see also like
crushing hard drives with this object
in the foyer.
Yeah. And there's all kinds of systems
like Method's people.
This is a nice, beautiful
way. You pour a lot of salt and
water and then you have to put your hard
drive in there for a few months so it
will corrode.
Shooting hard drives, of course, is a
very typical thing.
Yeah, I think they shoot everything,
um, and then also destroying
hardware and destroying hard drives in
nature. That's a there's
some very famous examples
of having destruction in nature.
Let's go quickly.
But this is not actually a hot, dry, but
maybe that printer has a hot.
Business with the rest of
the continent, an erection that so.
Latest on Capitol Hill, because it's down
to so nothing but the
biggest one step at a time
and keep my head low and never let go,
because if I let go, then I'd be
spineless. I'm going to say.
OK, so you want to if
you haven't seen that movie, you
definitely want to watch office space.
Um, yeah.
And then there's people.
Who really want to know, like how to
actually, like, really destroy
the drive from Grigore
and the friends, from the
hackerspace, from
fat level, made
a series of experiments and
took their old drives out
also in nature and built
an open to melt the platters
with thermite, which is usually
used to weld
to tracks or like to.
Yeah, it's, uh, you can
ask Frank all about it.
I, I hope like he will have time
tomorrow for the workshop
to discuss all these options.
And this is a very, very effective method
for sure.
It's like at an eight thousand degrees
or six thousand. I think it's really hot
and you don't want to put your fingers in
there.
And also the result of such
an experiment is very beautiful,
we just kind of
looks like a meteor or something.
I was thinking like maybe the meteor was
coming down onto earth, like carrying
data.
And then I made my own experiments, the
Kleinwort five hundred as my inventions,
I went to a DIY store and got
a clamp and
did some modifications, some grinding.
I wonder for how much I could sell it,
actually, and,
um, yeah, it's quite effective.
It's like, uh, you might be
able to do up to 200 miles an hour
if.
But also, to be honest, you don't
get through the whole thing, so
but there will be some improvement, I'm
sure I will be able to punch the
whole thing.
So tomorrow afternoon, between two
and four, there'll be a workshop.
And I want to the machine is going to be
around the next day, too.
And just the way I would love
for everybody who's interested to, like,
discuss and brainstorm about other
options, like fun options and also
serious options if there's people who
want to recover data.
That's also very interesting.
I have I know those companies and they
see a lot of money involved.
Um, that's a good friend.
Sebastian Schmick and, uh, JÃ³hannes
poster. Have they managed to get
actual shredded hard drives from
a Google data center they had connection
to?
So it's also an interesting way of
saying hello to your own files.
Kind of.
And of course, I mean, these companies do
everything in-house, but they don't send
them to the recycle your.
I am my own work, I like very
much to discuss that whole relation from
how we live in digital and analog work
at the same time, and what happens
when things from digital come back to
the physical space and how we
kind of world has changed
over the years.
I had a recent show in Berlin,
solo show about mostly about first person
view and the old first person shooters
and how this kind of
manifests the moment we entered digital
space in a way and
or cyberspace and to today.
We already live in cyberspace, but it's
not quite like that and it doesn't
feel like it always was promised to.
So in that show, I also
had this hard drive crusher
and at the opening, visitors were
invited to bring the hard drives
and to crush them as a
performance sculpture installation piece.
Um, yeah.
And it's, uh, a lot of fun
to to do it.
And connected to this
opening performance, there was an
installation in the back, which
you already saw in the video a little
bit, is referring to
this incident last year at The Guardian,
where The Guardian was forced to
destroy the computer with the hard
drives, uh, with the Snowden
files on them.
And we're going to watch that really
important with
the paper, which had other copies of the
Snowden files overseas, agreed
to take an angle grinder to the computer
while the intelligence agents watched.
The state decrees has been enough debate
will stop that and
decide that in order to stop this
reporting from.
Difficult to imagine a scenario in which
that would be appropriate.
This is a tragedy
and that the destruction of these
computers was not going to stop
reporting.
Yeah, so this is really
kind of the most important destruction
video when it creeps me out very much
because just the fact they try
this symbolic act of forcing
the newspaper to do that and and
they knew and they were told and we all
know it's not possible to destroy these
files. And this is also something
which is interesting just
to to think about that.
Yeah, it's not possible.
On one hand,
once something is uploaded to the
Internet or is like
like these leaks come out, it's there's
no way to to delete these files,
to get it out anymore.
And at the same on the same time,
datasets like data storage systems
always were like very vulnerable.
Like I lost a lot of data in my
career of an art school and
a different laptop gets stolen.
But we kind of enter the moment where
things are going in the cloud and
there's other questions coming.
So leaks is a big thing.
Of course,
the question is really for.
It's it's kind of tempting to believe
everything will be there forever.
I.
And if leaks are kind of yeah,
it has have changed,
changed a lot over the past years
and once the data.
It's out there.
It can go back, um.
And then, well, just to
also to think about the data loss,
which is then the opposite side, and
this is something we don't think about so
much. So now we rely on all these
services and technologies.
But the question is what
happens when it's gone and a lot of stuff
is gone? I, I recommend very
much this documentary about
the Internet archive and all these people
working in that field, because
a lot of stuff is generated every
second, but a lot of stuff is lost, too.
And like when you think thousand years
ahead, nothing will be left from this
era, right. Or 100 years maybe,
unless it goes into like a meteor
or somewhere.
And so these people, like,
do a great job and thinking about
preserving stuff, which then
disappears all the time and
and then control of our data.
And that's like the big discussion here,
too. I mean, obviously,
data moves to the cloud and the consumer
data. And the question is,
will that be hard drives in the future?
Right. I mean, or is it I have that
vision of maybe this it's not allowed
anymore to have a hard drive at some
point because you have actually access
to it.
So I want to refer and quote
earlier, Olina, who gave a talk last year
about the user rights she's
collecting on her website and
the right to own data, the right to
physical access, the right to delete and
destroy, the right to own hard drives.
I mean, it's just a question, right?
But it's it's it's obviously
I mean, probably this
is not coming soon, but just the fact
that most users of the new
devices have like direct access
and at some point the drive itself is
not really important anymore.
Yeah, that was my talk.
Thank you very much.
Wow, that was amazing.
Thank you for your talk, I'm sorry,
I'm afraid we don't have any more time
for Q&A.
We just have one
and a half minutes left.
So thank you very much.
Yeah.
And yeah, have fun with the next
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