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Welcome to this lecture from
I have to now have to look up here
because it's Nick. I know Nick.
I have to. I hope I pronounce your name
right. It's Dabrowski.
Nick Dabrowski is born in the USSR.
I think it was USSR at the time.
Yes, Phil.
So not the Soviet Union, but the USSR.
And he moved over to
New York. I understood.
And then the last six years living in
Berlin.
She's an artist.
And luckily, artists make our
life better and try
to give certain color and feeling
to this world.
She's next to being an artist.
She's an engaged in projects
like this one.
Anthropology for kids.
And there is a project here
that's going to be related.
In an open source book called
What is privacy? What is privacy?
I'm going to give you the stage, I think.
All right. Thank.
So I'm working on this
project for a couple of years already.
Yeah, I'm very happy to be here.
And I'm not an experienced speaker,
so I'm nervous.
And yeah, I'm going to describe
this project and hopefully get some
advice or maybe find your collaborators.
So I started to work on this
because I bought a
book about pirates to my six years old
son who was learning to read,
and I was hoping that it will be a
dramatic book about first unrealistic
communities with blot and
all kind of amazing events.
But it was
quite opposite with those very close
product, sugary
and kitschy
and completely, but
nothing true.
So I was thinking, OK, actually, it's
really great to do books
for kids. But books that
will talk about Dostoyevsky calls,
cures questions, something
that every human being have to decide
for themselves, which is family,
which is death, which is
LIBOR or what?
Just money, for example, and what
is privacy as well.
So and then I started to do these books
that kind of,
oh, I understand them like a social
hack into the social courts
because we
when we get our education
and when I saw my son
good and his education, we are
presented with again this close
product that then we
have to rehearsal and
repeat. And it's very rarely
that the kids
and adults as well are allowed
to them to really
take apart the major
important social ideas
and then reconstruct, reconstruct
him for himself.
And I want to say that one of the
important influence for me was Soviet
children's literature in the 1920s,
and that was very important also for the
the beginning of
construction of the revolutionary, the
Institute of Soviet People, because
this identity of Soviet people didn't
exist.
So before
1937, the
Stalin scrubbed
the Soviet
children. Literature was really, really
progressive and has a lot of
qualities that I think
were important now.
So the anthropology for kids is
supposed to be a web project
or were freely downloaded
books. That's also
the bottom becasue
kids in this
is a doodle books that the
kids can draw and
write in.
So the anthropological idea
that for each core
question like which is
familiar, you can have many
answers depending from which cultural
background or historical time you come
in. And in
each of
this question, the the books
provide in a framework
where you can comment and draw
in, imagine
and construct your
identity.
So this is a book about history of
protests in Russia and its whole course
called History of Justice, because
it's not possible to
publish and to do workshops with
the protest books right now.
And so this is a story
cases that describe in
a different type of protest.
And one part of the page is always
organize, like a school book where
the child can
come.
But in this case, not repeat it,
but comment.
Then there,
another book one of her books are doing
is about privacy, and that's where this
conversations here.
So this is a different way
of relating to the
privacy, you know, from my presentation
because the book is not finished yet.
I'm going to share the ideas that
I have about privacy now
and the term collection.
So the privacy could be understood in
the many different ways,
like level of access,
exclusion, control over the body, home,
public space and
so on.
But it also could be
described as a
privacy of the body and
the privacy
inside of the public.
Space in the relationship between
public and private is one of
the most important and
fascinating
subjects for me.
So we know, we know
that in Babylon, the privacy
privacy was a privilege,
so only wealthy woman were able
to cover their face and their hands,
and the prostitute or the poor woman
actually have to, well, the obligate
obliged to them
to go out of there or
uncover it in.
It was a big punishment for not
following the rules.
So in Saudi Arabia, it's quite
opposite. There of
the appearances belong to the to the
man of the woman.
So they they must cover their face
in now in Europe or
one country have to know that
the burqa is born
in in order to protect
women and protect our understanding
of what is
which is put.
Privacy is so precious.
You of are this could become a problem
for us. And this is a French
beach. Last year, a woman
who was within walking on the beach
in France, she was
stopped by the armed police and
was forced to undress because
French government passed
a law against wearing
Burkina.
So this yeah,
the privacy of others could be
a threat, but could be understood
as a threat as well.
So this is a different way
of relating to privacy as a protesters.
So the
balaclavas has a
kind of a sign
that used to invite everybody
to to to their struggle
and to relate to them.
It's also very
important tools that they
use
in order to be successful
in their own struggles
with the government because you
actually gathered in to fight.
So comandante Markus, so Guillaume, I
because nobody can really prove
it is here one person
or like, you know, somebody else.
And this
type of relationship to the privacy
is also allowing them to create a
new collectivity
that many people in
the world can
relate to. In this report, the take
gorgeous.
So we can then would
protect it.
So it is our Russian wish
right to theatrical anonymity.
This signals were
not at to lock when you were.
My solution of a very well known
faces and names was public,
and then they started to use this
balaclavas.
That mostly coverage, not them, but
somebody else.
So this is another
way of private related to privacy.
If you show in the public space some
parts that are considered to be private
and forbidden, even
then you really talking to the media.
And by doing that, you can hook into the
public space and deliver some
agenda that would be difficult
to do otherwise.
And now looks the big fashion industry
is also
a kind of
full on this agenda, and it's a lot of
projects that
are
helping us or could help us if
we want to control our visibility
and to to really change
the way how we
relate to our appearance
on the fly so we can change our gender
or age.
Or whatever we really want to
change.
So I grew up in Soviet Union, and
of course, it was the most important
private public relationship
in this country, for example, the way how
Soviet people look
was very known.
So we kind of were all very much
the same. And that if you see the
foreigners who Leningrad, when
I grew up, then they would be
the colorful people who immediately stuck
out in the crowd.
Well, so many people who lived in this
famous communal apartment that
they didn't cure choice.
Then they chose their neighbors.
It wasn't to Berlin.
It's more or less some special
way of being collective.
And of course, we have
mass surveillance that now looks like
very innocent because the government
relied on their friends and
neighbors, children and the children in
until such a moment
when I grew up in Beijing.
That's practice wasn't popular anymore.
So some people are saying the Soviet
Union was defeated by the
citizens telling the joke about so
to each other about Soviet
regime.
And of course, Lenin was our collective
grandfather. The Taurus, which which
forms
an important part of
the Soviet elite,
was in and the artists and
the Georgians who
have been over this successfully fought
for their artistic autonomy
and against the forced collectivity.
Here's like, perform a very famous
performance of your courage
in the so
sitting
in the back seat.
So.
So this term,
this was a generation
decision to not just was a generation of
my parents
and oh,
by the time I grow, they looks to me very
heroic and important.
And then
when it was socialism to come,
then I kind
of little bit reconsider my position.
So this is a performance of the
artist who Moscow just way
too close to, mostly with the
Leninist who still is.
So this is a cake.
And the the people
who were invited to it, it was.
It was an art gallery, some private
club crowd, including some kids.
So they successfully to
o collective great grandfather.
And that's how like, I think
for me took a very, very
brutal and successful image
of how the privatization
actually happens in
Soviet countries.
So in this this called Leningrad
looked in the nineties a lot of
the small places where people sell
each other everything.
Well, total total.
Um, total
privatization.
And another good example
of a relationship between private
and public was this two guys?
One of them on the left.
His name was Mikhail Verbinski.
He's an author of
a book called Sino Copyright,
where he explained his time
in Russian work, which was Richard
Stallman and
no license. And all of this important
things. He's also
a successful mathematician.
He was making he is making money go and
working in the Western universe, just
given lectures.
So the guy on the right watch
list from Russian, it can translate like
being scary.
In his oh,
he organized company calls Bertolucci
in which the sole sole purpose
of this company was
paid in the rights for.
They destroyed the trademark
on his beard and he was shooting
other people or for wearing
a bearded that he thinks looks like his.
So this Verbinski was moved.
He stopped in the airport and
was because he has an open court
case against him.
I'm supposed to pay him for around $10000
because he was announced
that him
violated the copyright of Mr.
Gotch on the beard.
And he wrote on his blog, like, it's
looks like a joke, but it's actually not.
And then he actually did pay
to it.
I don't know if you succeed to Alito,
somehow get
out of that, but it was like
a big deal.
So and
I think what
happens now with this, like total
privatization of our privacy everywhere
is that it's again become
a human rights issue very much
as it was during the Soviet times, which
on a completely different scale.
So in Soviet times, so really innocent
and
home like
Putin,
it was especially
the times when I grew up in
a house in
which I'm
thinking by doing these
books is
like how, what, what, what could be done
in order to to
to prevent it from developing.
And they want.
One of the things that
I think is very important is
to try to develop
the tools
for some kind of social hack
in organizing the social
crypt, the parties with kids and
with everybody else, where
the um,
where the different ideas of
how we can relate, for
example, to privacy could be distributed
on a very large scale
and become understandable
to other people.
So I took an interview and publish it in
Russian
media from the David Stayton,
one of my friends in Berlin.
And so he was telling them this interview
that sir,
if we will have a
certain percentage of people not even be
cool, use encryption in the.
Private communication communications will
be too expensive
for government to spy on us, and the
question is why it didn't happen, why we
don't use encryption in this
amount of people, why don't why don't we
all just join the crowd in?
One thing says encryption is complicated
to use, but actually, probably
it's not a wrong answer.
It's the real answer is that's how
we understand our collectivity,
that we don't need to use encryption
so that our privacy is not really
so important to
to protect.
And
so coming back to the Soviet children's
literature.
I think these guys who are very
active in the way, how they
how they distribute
their revolutionary ideas
in one vast
and hundreds of millions of
people to
live in the Russian Empire empire
in 1917 to
a revolution had hope on Sunday,
immediately after the switch evolution
introduce a
they call it here.
Like the
social equality, the
accommodates this huge amount of people
who came from from villages
during the Civil War and
give them jobs and
feed to them and the basic
rights. And so, you know, Soviet Union
was
preserved.
So like in the previous
book, I'm going to speak to one
of the experts. I'm going to speak with
Michelle Kosinski, who's this
guy from Cambridge
Psychometrics.
It's a company. It's not a company.
It's a part of the university that
to later become a model for Cambridge
Analytica, the company that
created a software that apparently was
used for the Brexit selection
political campaign and for the
election of Trump.
And so Michelle
Kosinski was up to
him here
and
created his program of
getting information from social network
on a big scale about people.
He was going around and wouldn't Woodham
that it could be used for
for lack of very
harmful things.
So he has seen the term didn't
build the bomb, but just showed that it
could be could be
built, which
could be harmful.
And yeah, so
I was thinking that maybe here
in Congress, I can find out also somebody
who will participate
in some ways of
making this privacy book more
like better.
But maybe given this different form, not
be in the book, but being some kind of
small piece of software that can
distribute through the social network
and then the people. Not only can
can answer this question, a lot
of questions could deter regionally, but
they can see the answers.
For example, if they see that,
like, I wouldn't care about my privacy,
I wouldn't spend time in crypto anymore.
And then he will say, OK, if like 20
percent of the people will answer, I will
then most surveillance in if like
13 percent of people will answer
that we don't care and, you know,
surveillance everywhere.
So maybe some people like that which
could do good work,
and maybe that's that's it.
Nicole Dabrowski, fine,
thank you.
That was great. Actually, I have a
personally, I have a first question and I
would love to see some other corrections
here as well. First, the practical thing,
I understood that the next lecture will
not go through, so we have some more
time to discuss and maybe
find that collaborators that you were
looking for.
But one practical question you
did some sessions with kids to
make this month
or two for privacy, yet
not for privacy yet are the books
like Crime and Punishment and Protest
Books. Some of the books are
familiar.
OK. On a small scale
and in Berlin or before in New
York, where you were staying.
So the way the workshops were done
on the workshop is a big, important
part. So you kind of
said important to to to
look at the kids eye to eye, not just
to impose on them some knowledge, but
then to to make them allow
them to draw and write and then maybe
introduce something in the book.
So I did a projection in
Russian and the process book is
for South Africa, and
I did two tours workshops in Berlin.
OK, so that was my next question what is
your actually your audience?
Because before this lecture, you told
me, like, we are all kids still
in a way.
Yeah, it's mean. Like kids are mature.
Yeah. So if you some, if I will look,
I will be described how to encrypt
my email. I will be a much less capable
than my 14 years old son.
OK, so you have this little kit there
in the back that I heard that would be
joining your party next to all the other
kits here?
Is there someone who has a question for
Chanukah guys,
girls?
Android's
boss, someone
there on the Web.
No one.
OK, then I have to come up with another
question.
How do we use that book?
When is it there, when it will be
published? It's open source, I
understood.
Yeah, just put it on
Wiki kids, be kids, you and then
when can we find this?
Yes.
The
Oh, it's a website where
you can download it. But we also put it
on Mickey Kizza
website. There's a for kids that
talk
a for kids dot
dot dot dot
dot org or.
OK.
Um, so my question was then
when can we see this,
when this book will be done?
Hope like three months
and three months, something like that.
Other people hear what I like to
collaborate. Probably will.
They will connect you after this lecture.
No one here has a question.
I feel guilty.
Oh my God.
Hey, thank you very much, Nick.
Once again, I hope to talk like later
with you.