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So welcome again this morning
in Zida Darkstar.
You
got up very early, too, to attend
this talk because it's on a very
interesting subject.
Many of you, I guess,
are already make us or
our interests linked in making
stuff and modifying
things that the vendor just throws
at you and says, use this
as it is. And you say, no, I want
to do stuff that I like with it.
And today we have
two people here who think
very much like the
subject of the talk today is making
experts make us and make us experts.
Today with us, our
Donya invest Ilic.
And he's about to shop.
And the stage is yours.
Thank you.
First of all, thanks for inviting us.
We're actually quite glad because it is
the first time we here on the stage.
And yesterday I was looking through the
door and there were so many people, so I
was really intimidated and bit
afraid. So bear with us.
First of all, the title of the talk
experts of us are like other
experts, people that irons
specific situations that have specific
needs, that know exactly what they
want, what they could need.
What could help them.
What's the situation for them in order to
improve their things.
And is often better details that, like
engineers and other people developing
stuff, can't tell.
So we're.
Worked in a way that we brought them
together with makers
in order to do in a core creation
process right away.
The connection
of both in order to
figure out right away what's needed.
What could be solutions.
What are ways to do something.
These mergers then, of course, it's not
it's not on the one hand, you have like
users and on the other hand you have
like, I don't know, geeks and
makeup people.
Of course, they overlap.
Like people that we
were working with in the big team was
like, we're like developing like
a bamboo wheelchair
or like a like a bike
frame.
So. So some people are engineers
and sit in a wheelchair and other people,
you know, make stuff.
So. So this is our symbol for
four active makers
in wheelchairs or interested
in wheelchairs.
We want to say
quick word about us
before coming to Berlin
last year and getting
dragged into this project.
I was in Singapore and was working on a
little bit a similar thing
from the broad context there and
Augmented Human Lab as a postdoc,
I developed with
people to get a
flashlight or like an indication
start indication light for
people that are swimmers and deaf.
And so in the beginning, they on that one
flashlight on the side.
So we made like individual lights that
are compatible with a timing system.
And like, you could look at them.
And this was really nice
that for me to to
work in this direction.
Yes.
Thanks. And hello from my flat as
well.
My professional background is in
industrial design, and I'm
working a lot with facilitating co
creation. And this is why I started
working together with Daniel.
Because he brings in this technical
perspective.
I brought a little example of a project
that I've been running this
year with my team
from the Aybar.
And it's I think it describes
as these two images describe pretty well
what my work is about.
It's really about bringing people
together at a table
with very different perspectives
and
have them in a co creation process in
order to change their environment
by themselves.
And it's a lot about integration
as well. So these two images
that you see here are from a project
that we've been running in a prison
or in a forensic clinic where we
were developing
tools and concepts for a
better reintegration of the patients.
But today we want to talk about
a different project.
And that's where I'm
from, a wheelchair.
And Daniel, I already gave us a little
introduction and how we came to this
quite abstract title of
bringing together experts
and makers and merging them
in order to have the power
of both perspectives
and profit from each other
and to become
critical mass to design stuff
together.
It made for my future.
We were designing.
Do it yourself. Add ons that
were distributed.
Open source. Be open source.
And they have been
designed in this core creation process
where we had seven wheelchair users,
a few make cars that were changing
here and there. And some designers
leading the team.
It was financed by the
blender's minutes Dhoom of Build on
Futral and
run in Fab Lab Berlin, together
with our
nonprofit organization called Be Able
Inspired as inspiration for
running. This project came
from our friend Hower
who.
Bought himself a 3D printer and
just started experimenting with it.
And we found this
very interesting and
we talked together with Sam and we
thought, man, there are so many.
There are so many possibilities in using
maker technologies.
And this
software.
We should give
more access to to this
technologies.
And as some other friends of us
were running the fibular Berlin,
we just put all this stuff together and
made a project out of it.
And now we would like
to give you a super short.
So you're a short video that
tells pretty much about the project.
And then it's our plan to give
you some insights in the process,
how we put that up.
And also, we want to talk a bit about one
of our results.
On.
My name is credit card.
My husband even gets a job, I almost
building an active history
includes your own legal pad
on fitness. That's why you live by bike,
not me. Doesn't Lutzes
I could make a pretty damn
quick.
I know, I know. It was marvelous.
Is just team up the noise, the noise.
No, of that's besides intercom, which
employs about that.
It's like it seems.
It's been, Nikolo.
It's a fun way to fund this kept
happening. And given that fabulous
gifts of their guns, Sunbird pointed
out hot dogs. Someone would to get time
of getting elicitation.
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and save if.
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I still gotta buy this thing
on an employee act made for my which had
broken out of it in the budget.
So not to add ons.
Some blasted is finished or set to.
Spillway way, it's been designed that by
be able Indian Point.
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and refining and is often megatons.
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pattern, that's easy to measure.
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using the Duplass Nadol something Dean
and it would be clad in Wudinna
as best as Papillote
and then matri.
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infinite human outsmarts and Eigen head
chef.
Yeah, yeah. And the little component in
David Cymbeline is left to Paul Nicholson
being responsible.
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I'm on bone guns is open source.
So I still couldn't as a woody
heuser as all effective
and not quite good.
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unwashed word and double life
and pledged Jewish man of a testing
hungry.
The antipollution extended.
But so does M&A sliced
income into a
team that buys
you dinner and a good LCN leaking
my prize winning, I probably does double
life on Monday.
I'll tell you what it does is that I am
to cool down a month.
What makes us dumb?
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has to become us all to bomb
then Sudan. On foot. I need to deal.
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And you do that and cancel NASA's with
constant Setliff motto for Tottington
machine both ocean Vistage quarters
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school kids.
Al-Assaf man tutors.
So
this video we've produced in the end in
order to share, but before
to share, it was a lot of people, as
you saw, there was an open call in the
end.
But before there was like one
year of preparing
this for this moment and basically
or even longer, actually, because the
planning was before.
Basically, we have we had three
phases in this project.
And the first phase was the skulled
phase, where
it was very dear to us to find the right
people to be in this project.
So we were looking
through different channels.
We spoke to a lot of people to compose
a diverse team of people who
were creative but also had certain
skills and had certain needs.
And we invited them to come to the Fab
Lab and to the Maker Faire
for First Hecate one.
And the first phase was also
about the need
finding and producing
a lot of ideas of
a really wide range.
The second phase was really about
concentrating and focusing a bit more
in the making.
We had a elfa making phase and a bit of
making making phase.
And we had a lot of iterations
and testings.
And the third phase was the sharing,
the publishing and the distribution of
the results with
instructions and
a lot of things to consider.
So the first day
was really about meeting as
a group and
understanding the needs of of
our team, of the seven wheelchair
users that we chose or that that
came together to
to do this.
And we really started from scratch.
So we didn't have any clue about what
products would come out of this product.
We knew there would be product
that was our scope to design them, but
we had no idea what they were about.
And after we had this
first visualization that
you saw on this right image
there, we came overnight
to four different clusters
that we saw. There's a lot of potential
to ideate into these.
So, two, to find ideas and
Zellous clusters.
That was transport and storage,
especially transport.
Because.
Because, for example,
shopping as it is really difficult for
for people in wheelchairs very often
or they have assistants that
when they when they have an electric
wheelchair, they
kind of have a different speed walking
next to each other.
Very related to this was
the topic of human interaction.
How to bring people on eye level
when one is sitting in a wheelchair and
the other one is standing on its chair.
How?
Yeah. The second topic
on line is whether
particularly working with
really bad weather conditions like snow
and the winter and also
connected to this.
What's the topic of night lighting
being seen and seeing in the darkness?
And with these topics, we we went
to the Maker Faire
in 2016 and we even
invited some more people to do
that to our tables
and we provided them with materials
and paper and pens
and became really wild and prototyping
and ideating.
So this was.
This whole day and this whole
hackathon was just about
finding as many solutions as possible
for the needs that we had discovered
before.
And as you see here, we haven't
just been visualizing
with pens.
We also had like these little plastic
wheelchairs that we 3-D went
3D printed beforehand that could be
equipped with little models of
things that we were wishing to have.
There are a few more.
So we were physically
trying to make the stuff
that we were imagining
that could be cool with.
Yeah. Was found objects was
rough materia and it was going
really fast for a big
quantity of things.
The little one on the left of the little
image is the telescope lamb,
for example.
Someone wanted the lamp that you can
extend and then you, then you and they
could have this glowing
object that shows
gives you a light from above as an
example.
Yes, sir. Very low fidelity
prototypes.
For having the possibility to have a
really wide range of
ideas.
And from that, we took it.
We went one step further.
Well, we came to the second phase, which
also making phase.
And in a discussion with our
inclusive team, we decided for
three projects that
we wanted to take further in the second
phase. That was
making snow chains, trying
to make snow chains.
Exactly.
Transportation and lighting.
And we
we had for each of these phases
about one months.
And they always started with.
They always started with a
with a camp where the
whole group was together for one or two
days and the fab lab and was
prototyping and
hacking and programing.
And in order to guide us,
what's to decide for?
We had this design and testing criteria.
Of course, it was really important to
make something feasible.
We wanted to have a result that we can
actually make ascetics.
As you heard from hour and the video were
quite important because
a lot of stuff that is made
for people with disabilities really looks
and screams out that it is for
disabilities.
Not just because you look a little bit
smaller doesn't mean that
you want to have low child style
accessories and so on.
So it's kind of like, yeah, there's
like a certain market things
that that really annoy
people that have to use them in a
big way. So styled was like a really
important factor.
That impact was important, of course,
time and cost for production, which
makes it accessible.
And it's like close to feasibility
as well. In a way.
And also, we wanted to make
sure that the product that
we designed are really
doable in a wide
range of epilepsy, not not just
in the most fancy ones.
So let's just.
I just want to share some quick
impressions on these camps
where we all sit together and
use the laser cutters, uses 3D printers
and did a lot of.
Different prototypes and
after these phases, we
always came into intense testing.
But I will give to what you you know,
to save a bit more about the lights.
I got I got involved
because it was like talking to Nicholai
a lot about it during the process.
And then there was this idea
of doing lights and like a camp for
doing lights. And that's where I.
Really started to be really involved and
like there were like a few
things that that are important.
Like we wanted to have the
cases being produced in
in a fab lab context or the electronic
parts needed to be like
easy the accessible from
an external distributor.
And like, there are a lot of, like,
tricks that were important.
So one thing it was, of course, like
where where do you attach the things?
How do you power them?
So.
These are examples of
how to show them then there was like
was mainly about figuring
out good ways to
to make it to do it.
And like.
He has already like the.
Testing of it.
So they are like round elements.
They're like round elements.
We brought some of.
The.
Straight elements they like simply neo
picks words, trinket
and one buttons. It's only three parts.
But like making them
actually.
Is still quite a challenge to
fit them snugly into their cases
without breaking them apart.
They were like a lot of things that
we're.
Try to consider using the two words that
are openly available in Fab
Labs.
So it's like a 3D printed case.
There's like
it's very smooth in the bottom because
it's like on there heated, made on the
heated plates. It's like the resolution
is nice and the finishing is nicer than
normally.
There's like ways to
attach KAB in the
zip ties. Yeah.
And there are different ways of like
attaching them also.
And a nonpermanent way if one wants to
remove them again.
The cases are
like designed and
like in a in a
way that they want can also expand them
and manipulate them
from the casing design.
They one going to like the
making process of the things.
And for me, it was like.
It seemed so simple from the
parts or something, and
I thought it would be really nice to
have.
More components.
At least like some way of
like sensing something.
You can see how the things
get assembled weird, like if you
have, like two of the stripes
that you saw together, we've figured out
it's really difficult to put them in the
case because they always break.
So it's like the attachment
parties to something where
one can find improvements.
So he had a different
ways of attaching it.
We thought of clips like
brings the SCIP ties,
powers, trip to things and
signs different
ways of doing it.
This is the this is the way
that where we thought, OK, it would be
nice to to actually
have some sensor data, for example, like
if you are in the wheelchair and you
speed up and then you suddenly slow down,
that the backlight, for example, could
react in a specific way.
We started working a little bit with,
like BBC Micro
Bits, where it's really nice
that there are the censors in
there. There's like this.
School education thing, that is also
like a gym virgin.
Open. What's very similar.
And based on that project.
But they also have like that based
on and I have 50 tools so they can
communicate with each other and without
it would be really nice if there were
moments where people meet
by accident that have these lights and
then suddenly there's like special
effects that.
Like started, once you meet
the person and then you could think of
ways of like more interactive things.
Or even something simple like the let
go of this winter, Beloit,
the
flower, not the floor alighting.
And and it's connected
to a temperature sensor.
And then you then you have like
you also have, like, this indication of
how warm or cold it is and like like
so there's a lot of things that one
could imagine and where one could push it
further. But like at the workshops
that we ran, for example, that they had
KIYA in Dusseldorf
was very obvious that they'd like making
such a thing, even with the prepared
cases in advance by
like so doing the things if
you don't have like soldiering experience
and do this every day and then programing
them as already, like a huge time
frame and like adding extra
components would need to be like really
like a like a second further.
Step and we decided
to leave the better here.
Outside also for simplicity,
but also because, like in many
wheelchairs, there's like
especially with electric wheelchairs.
There's often like a like a USP
part that one can connected to and
powered from there.
And.
The.
Like many, many, which are you there
simply have like a like a POW up
bank under the seat.
So it's seemed like a good, good way
of doing it.
You know, maybe a few quick
last words about sharing,
because that was the last phase and it
was also very dear to us, too.
It's really distributes the information
about this product
in order to do that.
We put some instructions on
Instructables.
Even one of price was hit
last week or two weeks ago.
Reese and I could
show you this.
We also set up a Web site.
And.
Most important, we started running
workshops on how to build
the lies and also another product that we
developed in this workshop.
And we started doing this on
fairs and also in for an
hour in the fall of Berlin.
But we also
constructed some instructions, very
simple ones, to make fab leps
know about the possibility
of giving
those workshops themselves.
They are so far self explanatory
and also to to motivate
people with wheelchairs
to start groups, to
have their own workshops
and talk to Fab Labs.
And it's usually mostly even if you
can technically like all the other stuff,
like make it only makes sense to come
together basically in the fab lab.
And they have the tools and they have
like also the knowledge and have some
other people that can hold something for
bitterns on zeds.
Do we really want to encourage Fab Labs
and people who would like to
build something to self organize
and like use these tools in order to
make Loku events simply
a tool to build the things and
to.
Now, shared experiences.
And we also have a bigger vision,
and that's
already started with us or we started
working on that.
We've really figured out in this project
that there's a lot of potential to bring
together makers and
use experts and
match them.
And now we really would
like to start working on a platform
that brings together all sorts of needs,
people needs, people's needs
and collects,
needs and ideas
and projects in order
to have more products
that can be found and distributed.
Because there is I mean, there's a lot of
platforms around,
but none really covers
this specific
topic area in a concentrated way.
So we would also be really curious, too,
too, if someone has experience from
like open source software development.
Like how one could do projects
that are hardware based and
like collect them, but then
also split them in single tasks.
Because I think there are so many people
that would like to happen
individually with with a certain solution
by like designing a case or by like
making electronics, designing
electronics, thinking about the things
and.
But we think it would be good if there's
like a like a way that people
don't have to physically necessarily come
together.
But one can simply, like, sit at the
computer and like give
a few hours whenever one feels like
in that time slot and then
make something happen by one really knows
what it's four words for and what it's
trying to solve. And then also gets
feedback afterwards of
how people can use it if it if it helps
them. What improvements there still are.
So please feel free to
come and connect to this project
and bring it to life with us.
We also brought some stickers
and postcards.
So I think we should open
now for the discussion or if there's
any questions, you're kind of done with
the time, right?
Oh, maybe not.
And you can meet us wherever we will be
here today, tomorrow,
on Saturday.
And we would be very happy to connect.
There's a question.
You have a mobile microphone.
Oh, yes.
Thank you so much.
First thing would be.
Thank you very much for your talk.
And it was.
So we have time for, like, one question.
There was a question, okay.
Come on, Calvin.
Fuck me, Cofan da
fun in my view.
A few years.
Whatever
I do, it's not right.
It's Western, but it's also
actually a remark, two wrongs.
I noticed that there are many rude just
driving around without the
people in it.
It's becoming mainstream to drive
around in all sorts of
stuff like PR
moods and
moods and so on.
And the spread is awesome.
So I got rant.
I've read that driving mainstream
and I really enjoy looking at it
and make me some ideas.
And the other verse and that I
experience that there
are magazines coming in these days.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Project. And there is access
and tons in compline for.
There is. It comes.
And I find it very exciting that
there is so much going on dates
and I'm really hopeful that this
is
going on for a long time and that there
are many coming out
of work.
Right.
And through your offer here at the
surgery, is you free some
kind of workshop?
Well, I think you
put our hands into work and
maybe it's natural light, because
I want to be very interesting in some.
We haven't prepared
this yet, but we should talk
in a minute and figure out.
We can we can make something I can hear.
And like we've probably
missed missed some parts, but we can at
least think about it and, like,
develop it a little bit further and make.
Thank you.
Yes.
If it doesn't happen here, there will be
a workshop on the 20th of January
and February Berlin.
And everybody is warmly welcome to that.
Yeah. We had discussed
doing a workshop and somehow I've got
under the stress
of Christmas and everything.
And no, he didn't. We don't have our
suitcases full of platoons.
But let's see what we can do.
Thank you, sir.
OK, very good.
Let's think I'll speak us again and go
one of the across.