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um our next lecture has certain risks um
has more risks actually it's uh called
planes and chips and saving lives it
it's um how soft and Hardware can
actually play a key role in saving lives
at Sea and why frontex uh doesn't like
it it's uh done by trol fix Nick and
Ruben and what is following is actually
a talk that's once again about a very
serious moral and ethical
dilemma um since the death rate at the
UPC border reached an historical record
this year at in September one out of
five people actually we left Libya on a
fine wanky boat uh drowned in September
so the main reason for the increasing of
this death rate is actually the
Crackdown on sea rescue operations by
European
authorities since no rescue coordination
Center clearly takes responsibility
currently then the technical means of
communication of course do play a key
role in the efforts to coordinate
rescues and in the future and that's
what my friends here are going to
explain you is that a civil society run
Mariam rescue coordination Center could
help to reduce the death of SE
significantly this talk this talk FOC
focuses then on the soft and Hardware
components that are necessary to
challenge European deadly border
policy so give them a warm Applause they
will present us some potential solutions
to fulfill this ambition thank you
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all yeah thanks thanks a lot for joining
uh great to have you all here because we
need you all um to solve this problem on
the Mediterranean Sea we are going to
talk about my name is Ruben that is Nick
and this is
tropix so yeah um we are going to talk
about um planes and ships and saving
lives and especially how this uh comes
together with um people that are
competent in it technology that are
competent in Hardware um technology and
why this is so much needed current ly on
the Mediterranean Sea me personally I'm
not a nerd at all so I have basically no
idea um about computers um I need my
house nerds like Nick to help me
encrypting my computer and my emails um
which is also pretty important in this
time for C rescue and I will tell you
why um shortly so I'm basically giving
you a short introduction uh into the
situation on the Mediterranean Sea and
afterwards those people are who are much
more competent in uh it technology and
Hardware um we'll talk about the
solutions we need at sea for saving
lives so basically what is the problem
people are in distress at Sea this is a
picture taken from our surveyance
aircraft moonbird there's a rubber boat
which is um sinking and taking water
this is a situation we might currently
have north of alums which is a Libyan
Town um at the so-called
European border I mean it's um the
Mediterranean Sea which is basically the
border of the European Union people
start in Libya try to cross um the
Mediterranean Sea why abot because
there's no safe and legal Alternatives
and so they are ending up in such kind
of situations if the talk is a bit
chaotic at some points it might have to
do with the fact that we are currently
in operation with our ship and so there
was not much time to prepare because
still people are Str on our boat but I
will talk about that um a bit later so
we have this situation which with people
in distress so what would you normally
expect that's going to happen
well if you are white and if you have a
European passport and you get in
distress some 100 meter um out of yak
port in Germany that's going to
happen however if you are not holding a
European passport port and if you are
trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea
and you get in distress maybe that's
going to
happen because basically the reaction of
the European Union onto distress cases
at se looks like
this there's simply nothing so what we
were thinking about some years ago when
the dle on the Mediterranean Sea was on
the Rise um what can we do
if people try to cross the Mediterranean
Sea and risk their lives in totally
unseaworthy old fishing
Cutters so we had the idea that there
was a solution to this and so we also
bought an old and unse worthy fishing
cutter
um which we then uh turned uh into the
Seawatch one which was the first um
rescue ship coming from Germany to the
Mediterranean Sea however we called it
sea watch for a reason we didn't call it
C rescue for example because in our view
it's not the obligation of the Civil
Society to solve the problems European
State have caused by closing down their
border and by denying any legal
alternative for people escaping War
Terror or um other things um for example
in Libya so we thought um what we still
need to do is we need to go there we
need to look into the situation and um
uh we need to make sure that no one
drowns so that's basically what we did
and um we sent down um the ship to the
Mediterranean Sea and pretty fast we
found a lot of people in distress there
and we had to deal with it so in the
first moment um we were pretty
overwhelmed but then what happened and
that was really amazing was that that
the Civil Society actually acted so a
lot of um new NOS
popped up and sent ships to the
Mediterranean Sea and that was something
I was honestly impressed by because if
we think about the European Union with
all the means they have with ships with
planes with a lot of money whatever we
would have never estimated that it would
be some Berlin hipsters in their mid-20s
to send the most effective asset to
defend uh the human rights on the
Mediterranean Sea and to rescue lives so
but it was not only the enta it was also
for example LIF and Doctors Without
Borders there were um the people from
SEI sending ships so in the end we had a
whole civil rescue Fleet that was um
carrying out rescues on the
Mediterranean Sea and that worked pretty
well so the Civil rescue fleet was able
to save thousands and thousands of lives
on the Mediterranean Sea and that worked
pretty well also because the
coordination with the rescue
coordination Center in Rome worked
worked pretty fine because during that
times also on the European side at least
some people thought well if people get
in distress at se we should probably
rescue them that's also a normal thing
so could you imagine someone could have
something against rescuing lives at Sea
well probably you know the answer
already there is that guys I mean that
guy was pretty prominent in the media
this year by um uh blocking civil rescue
ships but it also started a bit
earlier that guy um you might also know
him um was the first one starting with
the huge criminalization campaign
against the Civil sea rescue so back in
201 um 16 end of 2016 early
2017 um there was a lot of rumors
spreading about the NOS on the
Mediterranean Sea what are they doing
are they maybe colluding with the
Smugglers
and then there were some accusations
that are pretty stupid for example there
was the accusation that was widely
spread that we would give light signals
to the Libyan
Shore I mean we have nerds here so
probably you are pretty good in
mathematics and in Geometry um so what
do you think about the argument that
there is the possibility of giving light
signals to the Libyan Shore if you're
far out of territorial Waters of Libya
so basically already from a geometry
perspective it's not possible to give
that kind of light signals still this
accusation was widely spread and of
course that helped to let our donations
drop and make our work much easier
another um accusation I want to shortly
talk about is the accusation that we
would not um destroy the boats we find
because um there was the accusations if
we find a rubber boat in distress we
have to destroy it and uh then it cannot
be used Again by smugler so there was
the accusations we would not destroy
them I have the proof that we do so so
that's how it looks like um if we
destroy boats so basically we have a lot
of these accusations and what do you
think how this um uh contributes to the
fact that we need um a lot of nerds um
to help us in um uh carrying out our
mission why can nerds make Mission much
safer well because if we are able to
document what we are doing at C if we
are able to document the positions we
are uh on if we can have a um video of
whatever happens at Sea then we can
prove afterwards that these accusations
are false and that's why it's pretty
important to have Hardware technology um
on board our vessel so that's one thing
however the story continued so these
kind of accusations were very effective
Ive and so we ended up in a situation
where the enta was the first ship to be
confiscated it still confiscated it was
confiscated already in
2017 it's in Trapani now and it cannot
do its job anymore and we thought okay
we still continue but then this year a
lot of other ships were confiscated we
have the case of the lifeline that was
very prominently in the media the
lifeline is still confiscated in Malta
so it became much more difficult for the
Civil NGS and there was a moment where
no civil rescue ship at all was left in
the Mediterranean
Sea and of course this has effects so
what happened basically was the people
were still coming because I mean there
was this argument of a push factor sorry
a pull factor so um there was the
argument by um the European states that
only because there is civil sea rescue
um the people are coming over the
Mediterranean Sea and then they get
rescued by the NGS and then they get
brought to Europe however when there was
no NOS anymore still people were coming
but there was just no one anymore to
rescue them so the effect of this fact
um we have seen in a pretty pretty
drastical way um in uh the September of
this year because
before we had this number any idea what
this number
means so this number is basically the
death rate we had shortly before the NGS
were pulled out of the area um so it was
one in 44 so if one in 44 um who tries
to cross the Mediterranean Sea WIA um
the central met would drown when we had
the last rescue ship the Aquarius um
stopping the operations because their
flag was taken away in
September the number rised to one and
five so in September when there was no
civil rescue ship at all we had one in
five drowning who tried to cross the
Mediterranean Sea and to better imagine
what it means if one in five drowns you
can just count uh in the rows here and
you will recognize that it's a pretty
horrible
situation and for this reason of course
we tried to continue sea rescue these
pictures are taken last week because
even though sometimes it's hard times at
Sea we managed to get our ships at least
some of our ships back into operation
and also we got back into operation our
planes which we use for air
surveillance this picture is taken a
year ago um but the aircraft just took
off half an hour ago from lampedusa to
search the eastern part of the um
Central Mediterranean Sea
and that led to a situation where we are
able to act again so on Christmas um or
the weekend before Christmas the first
rescue s months since months carried out
by civilian rescue operations took place
those people are by the way still on the
Seawatch
but actually we are able to operate
however and that's also why um we had a
lot of stress the last days
coordination is pretty difficult we now
have a lot of groups involved in search
and rescue we have um a difficult
situation at Sea so it's um sometimes
not easy to understand what is going on
so communication is pretty important so
what can we do um to not let this
situation up end up into chaos like we
can see on this picture um uh we need
you because um uh their Hardware and
software can play a key role um to make
our operations much more
efficient so we'll start with the
hardware um I mean if you have a ship at
Sea hundreds of kilometers away from the
shore then there's no way to actually
reach this ship by Simple Mobile phone
so satellite communication is the first
and very important part of Hardware
technology we have to use uh to make our
operations much more efficient and how
this works we will later see in a live
call if it works out actually um and on
the other hand um another pretty
important part um of the hardware
components um is that we need actually
cameras and we need voice recording
systems to a to be able um to prove um
what uh is going on at C so that's why
we need you guys um because that's
something I can't do
then there's another thing this is a
imarat c technology um this is a basic
Satellite Communication System uh to
communicate with ships at Sea um it's
obligatory on All Ships and this also a
way to reach other ships than our own
vessels because it's not only civil
rescue ships uh on the Mediterranean Sea
it's also Merchant vessels um uh or
other ships that are just around um we
can contact through that and why this is
important and why we need you um to help
us solve some problems with this old um
uh Microsoft DOS technology that is um
combined with that um that's also
something Nick is going to talk about
and um last but not least what we also
want to establish and that's pretty
important is a civil rescue coordination
Center because in former times when
everything was running kind of okay the
rescue coordination Center in Rome if
they are aware of a case of distress
they would send the position to the
Civil rescue ship and they would
coordinate everything so they would have
their charts they would have all their
screens and they would just deal with it
and they would just only tell the Civil
rescue ships where to go go and what to
do since saini is in power this just
doesn't happen and so we have to do it
ourselves that's why uh we think it's
pretty important to have um such a chart
where we can plot all the distress cases
where we can coordinate it
ourselves this is for two reasons one is
to save human lives and one is also to
monitor the human rights situation uh
out at Sea so that's what Nick is going
to tell you about um what we need from
the technical side there this comes into
place again because this is very old
technology and we need to combine it
with new technology that looks like this
so we can use it together and yeah
that's basically um the task we're going
to talk about and so at this point I
would like to hand over um uh to get
some more details about the Technical
Solutions yeah hello um I want to give
you a short introduction I was like to
be this ship system administrator uh I
spent two weeks uh in September on the
on the lifeline and basically we
refurbished uh the whole ship's Network
so short introduction again the ship was
built in 1968 as CLA and was built by
the uh for the Department of Agriculture
and Fisheries of Scotland and in 2015 it
was uh bought by Seawatch and then in
2017 it was bought by Mission lifeline
and is since operated by Lifeline well
and as you can imagine in the last 50
years a lot of mechanics engineers and
technicians botched around the the ship
work repaired stuff and upgraded it so
um in some parts this feels like
maintaining a legacy software project um
the power
supply um there are two generators on on
on the ship so in general the stability
and availability of um of the power is
not as reliable as on land so therefore
all devices which are essential for
navigation and communication are bettery
buffered um now I want to shortly cover
uh devices sensors and data providers
you will find on board so for navigation
we have a gyro compass
which is uh basically a compass which
gives the orientation on the and and a
gyro which gives the orientation of the
ship in the waves because this always
changes of course then we have GPS
receivers so this is the global
positioning system so we always need to
find our current position and we also
have AIS transmitters and receivers AIS
is the AIS is the um oh sorry I was far
away from the microphones system um as
is the automatic information system so
this is basically a transmitter which
sends out the current the ship's name
the current position and the course and
this is also for Collision uh
avoidance uh furthermore we have weather
data which is fetched uh online and for
communication we have standard radios
and iridium a Visa Uplink and LTE but I
will cover that later um and many of
these devices need to be interconnected
so the autopilot for example needs
access to the compass data of course and
to the gyro and to the GPS and the AIS
some of the radios need AIS and so
basically we have lots of devices on
board and a a huge Network and
everything is connected with various uh
nmea 0183 buses which is essentially
rs422 or nmea 2000 which is essentially
a canbus so we have multiple of these in
the ship to interconnect all the devices
we find on the
bridge so furthermore there's also an
office on the ship so there are printers
vo phones a Wi-Fi network ethernet
Network and we have lots of laptops with
Linux um furthermore there's also there
are IP cameras as room already told an
audio recording setup and network
storage because we might later need to
prove what we did so we need to record
all our positions all and all the
cameras um what the cameras is recorded
from the deck and around the ship um
yeah
so all of the computers are on on the on
the lifeline are now provisioned with
anible which is is fast replacement in
emergency situations EG for example if
the the ship's uh the bridge computer
with the navigation uh crashes or just
falls down due to heavy waves so we can
grab the media team's computer and make
it Bridge computer within minutes so
furthermore um anible has the great
advantage that we uh sort of have a
documentation and for a replacement
Cruise which happens every two weeks um
it's comprehensible how the computers
are set
up also documentation is
essential if you build something without
documenting it uh it's virtually
non-existent on especially on a ship
this can be very dangerous and like and
for example in life-threatening
situation if you need a handbook of a
broken device and you have no power and
no internet connection this can be
really uh dangerous so you need to
document everything here we see the uh
storage compartment for the
documentation which is the whole row of
of uh of folders up there and so
everything is ordered by a letter and
number and so on so it's easy to access
everything because everything is on
board um also a label printer is very
helpful if you have a bunch of cables as
you saw in the previous picture uh it's
rather annoying to find out which cable
belongs to which and as there is no Str
or storage compartment but rather many
small spaces and under seat benches and
beds and cupboards you need to be very
organized um to put everything in in its
spot at all times or you will spend most
of your time searching for your tools
and materials which is rather annoying
to go up and down the the small steps uh
on the ship all day long and also it's
rather inconvenient if you wake up the
ship's engineer uh because you need to
access the compartment below his bed
just to find out that the tool you
looking for was not there anymore
because you put it somewhere
else so um to give you an imagination I
show you a short video hopefully
ah okay
yeah here's this engine
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office
so
um yeah well I started also taking
videos for documentation to show the
location of these compartments because
it's not really convenient to take take
pictures or write it down because then I
can give the replacement Cruise a
virtual tour of the ship without being
on the ship myself and also the others
don't need to be on the ship and I can
show them around and then they can
immediately ask questions so I took
another
video so
is
the remote processing
unit
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for
laptop yeah okay that's that's that's it
for that so basically I was for for as
as the videos were very recorded in
German I'm shortly going to explain what
I what I told basically I showed the the
radios and the the radar system in the
in the bridge which was located there
and also basically in the rest of the
video we would uh I would show the how
the cables go through the ship to which
positions so um and lastly uh I want to
quickly introduce a project Daniel
made um yeah we fac the problem that the
ship has multiple uplinks as already
explained and we always wanted to select
the currently best Uplink there are
commercial solutions for this um and
there's a talk about why we didn't use
it it's called D Bo 4.0 by Stefan ging
and it was held at the mrm CDs this year
and it's available via media CCC CDE so
feel free to have a look at it um so we
have three uplinks the first one is LTE
the thing every one of you has in your
in his phone or her phone so it has it's
very fast but it has a limited traffic
and is only available in ports or close
to the islands then we have visad which
is satellite based it has a flat rate
it's slower than LTE and is available on
C most of the times but it needs a dish
and this dish always needs to be aligned
with the satellite so sometimes there
are obstacles in the way for example the
ships pole and then we have have no fix
and also in heavy SE sometimes we we
lose the link and then we have idium
which is also satellite based but
doesn't need a dish but just a regular
antenna um this works mostly all the
time but is super expensive like for a
phone call € per minute and 16 per
megabyte so
um we use this no
um we build a uh then I build a setup um
which basically is an board um with an
LTE modem which is shown here and it
runs open wrrt an embedded Linux system
for uh a Linux operating system for
embedded devices and for we have two VPN
endpoints in two different locations on
land running open wrrt as well and we
set up wire guard tunnels between all
devices and then the and then the the
Uplink to be used is determined with osr
which is a link State rooting protocol
and maybe uh known to you from Fone
because they also used to use it so
basically if vad or LTE are available Al
always the best link will be used and
and
provided and if LTE and V vard are gone
it will automatically drop to idium but
due to limited bandwidth and uh and the
overhead uh we don't use the wire
tunnels then anymore but uh actually the
setup worked very well for the last for
the last months and the a availability
also compared to to the previous
installs uh switch also uh
increased yeah um hi I'm Nick um yeah as
I said I'm working with seatch um we
already had to talk like two years ago
um about developing the search and
rescue application um which was
basically like an application to provide
ctoc communication organization that
means we basically had the problem that
that at this time we're like a lot of
NGS working in this area and um yeah we
basically wrote like a geographical
information system to coordinate between
all those ships and to basically track
our ships um what we like yeah the
problem we're having at this moment is
um that we have still some uh Assets in
the in the rescue Zone but um we don't
have like a um mrcc that means like a
res rescue coordination Center which is
coordinating those cases um so what we
are basically thought or what we
basically thinking is all the assets
that are mlcc like a state run MCC
already has um are already available
that means um there are NOS which are
caring about emergency call telephone
lines so that means if people start um
from Libya right now they are likely not
call the Italian mrcc so the Italian
rescue coordination Center anymore um
because it's yeah like super likely that
they will pass on this information to
the luans um so it's like more likely
that yeah like voluntarily NOS are
called and they are like trying to
manage those cases without human rights
um violations that means they inform
those ships which will yeah for example
not the Libyan Coast Guard um Etc so um
we also have like the the assets already
in place that means as a maritim
coordination Center has the Coast Guard
Etc we already have uh ships which are
like able to rescue
and um last but not least um the MC
rescue coordination centers also provide
like all the forensic stuff and also are
like responsible for taking all the
evidence that's um what we're doing
right now for our ships that means like
um with this application we're having
running right now we can track our ships
all the time that means like for example
we we had one incident um where um yeah
like uh there was um a rescue of the
Libyan Coast Guard where Seawatch was
also involved where like more than uh
yeah R about 30 people died and the
first accus accusation of the liban
Coast Guard was that we were in the
territorial Waters it was like quite a
fast thing to prove with our data like
there's also like more neutral data on
it but we could like see super fast with
that and prove super fast with that that
we were like never in the territory
Waters in this incident so this kind of
stuff is super important also to then um
give it away to other um organizations
for example forensic architecture with
then yeah who then work with this data
to um yeah display it nicely and also
pass it on to possible um yeah law um
enforcement authorities um which um yeah
deal with it so um what we're doing
right now um or what we're planning
right now is that we want to take this
application and make it more to a um
land sea um organization so
and that's really important um we had
the cases that there were boats in
distress especially like in the last
months and um because of the situation
that Italy Italy is not feeling
responsible anymore for those ships um
um we had the situation that commercial
vessels that means tankers um and so on
um had to rescue those people and they
were um yeah in the situation that they
couldn't really get rid of the people as
fast or like yeah so yeah
how to describe it they weren't allowed
to go into Italy um which means that for
example the SOS 5 one ship was forced to
have around about 80 migrants I guess
for two weeks on board um without like
really being prepared for it while our
ships were blocked in in Malta um so um
what's happening right now if um
migrants are in distress um that it's
super likely that those ships will not
rescue them so so um we already also had
the um reports from migrants who said
that they were seeing ships when they
were in distress and they just passed by
it's not clear if they saw them or not
but we yeah it's it's happening at this
moment so what we are trying to do is um
as said um there's AIS which is
basically publicly available so that
means everybody can can get this data um
and what we want to do is now we want to
have a database of every ship which is
passing through this area so now we also
want to take commercial vessels into our
um application so that we can if we um
yeah if there's any incident can
afterwards see which ships were close by
and even if we have reports what the
ship looked like Etc we can maybe find
out what ship it were and then look if
we can yeah provide um informations to
law enforcement authorities to then
maybe get forward with it um so that's
basic
idea so go to the call yeah so as you
have seen now um what why we need this
technque for um now we want to have a
little practice test and we are all
curious if it's going to happen so um
what we are doing now is to call our
ship which is currently stranded at Sea
with 32 people rescued um already uh six
days ago um uh yeah and um it's pretty
important uh because as you can imagine
there's now uh negotiations ongoing
International negotiations we are
talking with government we are talking
with cities um whether they take the
people and then um we have to be
constantly in contact with the ship to
find a solution for these people and
that's why we need this technque and now
we're going to see if it works
out yeah
hello hello
hi yeah so um hello from cat
3 hi from the chaos communication
Congress
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how is the situation on
board hello so we are now 67 is M south
of
Malta hello
yeah on the 22nd of December
[ __ ] just this way yeah
just We rescued 32 people at distress at
Sea we can hear
you and we have been drifting and moving
in international waters
since cool
so okay this is the people who survived
in humane treatment
abuse can you see the audience the
question can you see the can you see the
audience maybe we can um give um to the
audience can see the screen we can see
the
screen all right so um normally you
should see the audience here listening
um to you guys um however if you can't
see them um I can see them and I can
refer so is there any questions you guys
want to ask to the ship then it's your
opportunity
now
question
okay
question hi um I was wondering when are
you planning to go to uh dock somewhere
like how does that work right now in the
current situation
because you have people on board right
so you need to get them onto land I'm
assuming so um I just repeat the
question because I don't know if it um
uh
went so basically um the question was um
when are we going to
dock yes and how does it
work yeah um I hope you can hear me now
um I have a big delay here um
our plan was to dock uh quite a while
ago after We rescued the 32 people from
the boat in distress on the 22nd
actually uh we went back on the
23rd uh towards north um but the thing
is that no European State especially not
Malta and Italy who are the closest
ports of safety would grant us
permission to go into Port so right now
we are just uh waiting for any
opportunity to go to a port of safety
that is uh in vincinity of our current
position someone else
question okay any more
questions to the ship right
now um so so you're looking for place
right now who are the parties you are
talking to are you talking are people on
land talking to governments or are you
guys on the ship directly communicating
to Ports who is talking to who for
this yes so basically the question was
um whether um the ship um I think at the
moment
every that was the delay I'm sorry for
that now we have to learn we have a huge
delay here
um
okay um so I think everyone a lot of
people are talking to a lot of people at
the moment our head of mission is
constantly uh in contact with the back
office but also uh with
the damn it if someone has a question
raise your hand and there you already
can see how difficult it is to get this
kind of connection established and
that's also why we need you because
anything that improves this situation
that we have to delay that we don't get
the picture um that's what we need you
for and then we have the people talking
to government um uh driving speed boats
to rescue people out of the uh maritime
distress that's all we can solve but
this what is happening here right now
that's what you have to
solve maybe there are questions as well
for this group uh
here okay we have two mics as well you
can raise your hands I can
run thank you sorry uh what was would
happen if there were medical emergency
right now on the board if were there
allowed to dock then or is it just with
the do if there is a medical emergency
um we normally ask the closest mrcc that
is able to provide a medical evacuation
that is normally carried out either by a
speedboat or by a helicopter this
happened for example last Friday when um
there was a medical emergency on the
Open Arms which is the ship from our
partner organization proactiva um there
was a baby that um was in severe um uh
yeah in severe distress and so Malta in
the end sent a helicopter to fly the
baby and the mother to Malta however it
took quite some time and in the first
place there was no authorization for
even a medical AOC creation so even that
um becomes pretty difficult uh in this
times now
someone else question there are
microphones and one and two I can of
course run around all the time it's
really good for my condition after last
long
night so my question is what do you do
when you aren't allowed to like go to a
port and um when there's are more people
in I mean in danger on the sea so is
there a limit I mean there will be a
limit on people you can take on the
board but do you have a second board
where you pass the people on SE because
I mean if you can't like get them on the
land that's a pretty good question I
mean that's what we are um trying to
solve at the moment and um we don't
really have an answer to this because
normally the law of the sea is pretty
clear that people have to be brought to
a place of safety as soon as possible
after a rescue however currently as you
see um we are hanging around at se
Skyping uh with uh the chaos
communication Congress but there is no
solution um were to disembark the people
and also at the same time we have
information about three boats in
distress right at this very moment and
there is uh our um partner organization
um CI which uh carried out a rescue uh
today morning um uh so um yeah we are
trying um to coordinate with them and
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with so the ship is back great um you're
some question
yeah um hi so I'm not entirely up toate
about the situation of the uh singular
European countries the last thing which
comes into my mind was that they was
support from the Spanish government uh
did that change in the past few weeks
and months or uh I are they still uh
supporting NOS like
yours
do you want to go on the ship what did
Spain
say um so we for in our case no there is
a there was another rescue um by um Open
Arms the organization for AC Open Arms
um over 300 people were rescued and this
is the ship that carries a Spanish flag
so they headed naturally for Spain uh
our flag is that of the Netherlands so
our case is different
um as we said the the this is still
ongoing the whole negotiation of um what
happens when we get our flag country um
a safe board provided by them and then
we can go
there so in this case this is
Netherlands and I think what is what is
very important to say here is that uh
Spain itself hasn't been very supportive
I mean Spain has its own uh sea rescue
going on at the straight of gibralta but
um there have been a couple of cities in
Spain especially Barcelona where our
partners from protiva open arms are
based also uh who have been very
supportive and the Spanish government
has bowed also I think to the pressure
of the Spanish Civil Society who like
really um because Pro is pretty big
there um so the Spanish government has
bowed a couple of times but they
wouldn't do this for anyone and they
didn't do it for us even even if we
could have just handed over these 30
people we have on board to the to our
Spanish Partners at open arms and they
could have taken
them I have notr here so it sounds like
there's no real solution and you have to
negotiate this on a Case by case basis
is that actually like how how it is
that's how it is actually
unfortunately uh number two question for
people on
board thanks
um first of all um I I really do hope
the 30 people on board are okay um and
they give sort of somewhere to land
safely
um I'm curious about these uh
negotiations um what kind of Leverage
can you apply uh to I suppose it's
mostly shame governments into uh letting
you uh dock how how do these uh
negotiations work
I mean there's um beside of um shaming
the German interior Minister um which we
normally do on Twitter um uh there is
the law of the Sea and the law of the
sea is pretty clear and um we are
currently living in a situation where
basic rights are abandoned by the
European states which makes it pretty
difficult but um at the same time uh
this um law basis is still in place so
what we also try to do is to remember
them um about International conventions
they have signed um which basically
state that there needs to be a port of
safety um as soon as possible and there
is um uh actually um obligations for
States also to make that happen so
that's also part of the
negotiations however as you as you said
um uh there is not much um left um as
leverage um then to publicly shame them
uh for just abandoning um basic human
rights at
sea for question but um maybe in
addition to that um what we have seen
and what was um uh a lot of Leverage um
was the Z movement um we have seen in
Germany because when we had um the first
of this kind of standoffs um with the
lifeline stranded at Sea with more than
200 people in front of Malta um uh we
thought okay if the governments are not
reacting if um seov just um does do his
job um we will do it more from a
Crossroads um way so we talk to a lot of
cities we talk to several um federal
states and for example Berlin um then
said well yes we would welcome them and
Berlin was the first um federal state to
do it and many others followed so
Hamburg brayman um SCH Holstein turingan
brandonburg everyone um all of a sudden
said okay we would take some of those
people um and exactly the same thing is
happening right now so we had um quite
some negotiations ongoing the last two
days with German federal states and
right now some of them uh again Berlin
in the first place um said that they
would welcome these people and that even
forced um the German interior Ministry
to make a very embarrassing tweet um
where they said that um actually they
are open for a solution but only if it's
happening on European level um because
Germany already had taken I think
115 people that were rescued at Sea so
big Applause to Germany the biggest and
most rich country on the continent has
managed to take 115 people not this
month this year this this year not this
month not this week this year the whole
year so yeah um pretty embarrassing
tweet by the interior Minister and um we
now try um to pressure him a bit more um
by also involving other European States
and um by trying to put pressure to at
least take this 32 people where we think
that should be possible while we have
this expensive Line open there I suggest
to communicate with
them okay hi my name is Fred Beckman I'm
from Z Brooker
alburg um we met with zburg did CS FR
from alburg last week and we will meet
over Burger master griel in on 11th of
February and we wanted to or what we are
doing is we explained the idea that
the city of albur will ask the ministry
of interior in Bavaria um to say we are
ready and we are welcoming uh people in
distress which are on boats such that
they can leave the boat and they could
you could enter Malta Harbor and they
will just uh fly over based on paragraph
23 so on humanitarian reasons and um do
you think that would help if um alburg
would say um yes that's a bright idea we
are ready to take a number of people
like 100 500 whatever um so that um you
can leave actually the the
ships the ships gonna
answer oh sorry uh could
you and like as R already said um the Z
movement and the whole um the whole
thing of solidarity cities is pretty
much our our biggest hope it's um and I
think this also goes together with the
Civil mrcc that um the only the only
solution that can be provided or that
looks like promising uh here is that the
Civil Society takes over because the
states are not going to we've seen this
for like almost four years now out here
that the states are just going uh out of
the zone are not doing the rescues are
not taking the people are actually
hindering rescue operations so the only
um the only promising solution uh is
that the Civil Society really steps in
and there we need like a lot of creative
heads
to um to to find
ways to operate to keep us operative and
to operat
distribution
um like the Z movement did uh
without and and parallel to the to the
state
authorities okay so um I just heard we
are a bit over time so um uh I would
like to thank a lot to the ship um I
hope you're doing well
um
and
um so we're so we I think we're on the
ship all a bit tired and exhausted but
uh and we would love to be actually on
the Congress but uh we're doing very
well and also our guests are we have we
have a big deck that looks tiny bit like
a tea house at the Congress uh there is
a lot of music and conversation and
singing and dancing and all kind of nice
things going on uh so although we are
such a rescue ship we're not actually
equipped for staying for having guests
for a longer time on board uh we try to
make best of the
situation been it's been seven days we
have wonderful people on board who have
been through horrible unimaginable
things and we still manag to somehow
dance together so we're tired and it's
hard but it's also cool we just learned
there's one more question yeah we can
take one more question if the counter is
going probably but there number one
please shoot okay so uh first thank you
for the work you do and my question is
practicality set aside would your ships
theoretically be able to um leave the
Mediterranean and enter
non-mediterranean European ports if
there would be an
opening that is mainly a political
question I mean uh the thing is
is non-mediterranean you did ask
non-mediterranean
ports of European countries or of other
countries than European
countries or
both
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countries for
example we well we could do this and
there has been a discussion and actually
Malta told us to go to rdam or some that
there has been couple of people saying
to us You' you've got a Dutch flag so go
to rdam we could do this yes but it
would take ages it would take up to two
weeks to go from here to uh Rotterdam
and another two weeks to go back so it
would keep us out of the Zar Zone far
longer than we want to and
secondly uh we would have to go through
the Bay of bis which is now in Winter uh
quite a rough place to be on the
and uh it would not be very nice towards
our guests who are on our off deck
outside um in a tent in a huge tent
actually um to go on the Bay of bis I
mean the the Mediterranean is
treacherous enough every now and then uh
going in worse Waters like the Atlantic
uh at this time of the year is would
just be irresponsible and and
um um yeah yeah and besides than out of
SAR Zone and what Chris mentioned the
rough weather other reasons there is
also High Cost of doing such a thing be
very con to that so there yeah there are
many many many reasons why we also the
law says you have to go to the next to
the closest port of safety and not to
some port on the other end of the world
or on the other end of the
continent yeah golf of biscaya I
wouldn't advise you to do currently
actually my experience I know that um
guys uh I think we're going to close
this session here because their counter
was running and it costs a lot of money
of course uh I would love to uh thank
you there on the on board and thanks
here to troll oflex thank you
all thanks to Trolla fix Nick and
Ruben
and thanks to the V for setting up the
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