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and now we come to the talk where for
here I mean you're not here to listen to
me you're here to listen to no to ii-era
he will has the nice talk title
algorithm diversion and when I read the
abstract I was really like okay this
sounds interesting it's something about
now neurodiversity and digital art but I
don't try to explain whatever this is
about because this is his job and so
please welcome him with a big round of
applause
Naruto stage is yours good evening my
name is Naruto Kira my tie
talks title is algorithm diversion and
this is the outline no I usually don't
start without outline in fact my slides
are made with my own program on
processing and this is an actual part of
the code snippet so it might crash or it
might behave weird because I haven't
tried with this resolution but this is
part of the performance or a
presentation and I hope that this is a
safe space of course but I just say it
over and over because then if I say it
then it's safe now that I'm sure
nobody's gonna attack anyone else based
on race or gender or whatever but just
to say it because it's about myself and
yeah it's always needs some a bit of
courage to talk about myself oh this is
actually a part of my code it's a called
Lorenz attractor it's stuck over there
but basically it's a particle behavior
based on a few equations
and although it's set equations because
of some how computer calculates it won't
converge and it makes this amazing shape
or sometimes it's stuck at the top I'm
starting my talk with talking about
autism because I'm on the oldest autism
spectrum and how I work with art is
heavily related to the fact of my
neurodiversity
and this is a picture I took from
Wikipedia and the caption is a young boy
with autism who has arranged his toys in
a row which I really love
just this text is amazing to me and how
he arranged it it's amazing and he's
sleeping like like everything's amazing
in this photo I think I don't want you
know about autism spectrum you might
think people who are not good at
communication for a good at math but
sometimes not that's probably the idea I
think it's partly true but also it's not
always true and I found it interesting
to like work on like being autism or
high-functioning autism or whatever and
work with art because sometimes people
think that we don't have emotions or
yeah so it's not like because art is
about emotions like triggering other's
emotions like autistic people cannot do
cannot make a good art which is sounds a
bit logical but it's not logical at all
because first of all art is not really
about emotions sometimes it's just
shapes sometimes it's really irritating
and also we do have emotions it's just
that we lack cognitive empathy so that
we have difficulty
expressing our emotions so like right
now I don't know if I'm happy to be here
or I'm sad to be here or I'm nervous or
I've been relaxed I mean people just do
you know like you can just say it I can
just say I'm happy to be here to be
invited but also at the same time then I
start thinking but I kind of regret that
I accepted this invitation or like I'm
so nervous but also I like to be on the
stage to perform so that makes a bit
relaxing so like this is this weird
thing is I think it really describes how
autism is and I knew about it when I was
taking a dance workshop by choreographer
Mario hisab II and gallerist
Yamamoto they had this week-long
workshop the dance workshop we were
doing like really weird stuff like
walking like 20 of us walking in a
street like super slow and then we write
about how we felt and that was the key
like we had always had to have notebook
and we have to write from my own
perspective how I felt this experience
which was really hard for me because I
always observe shapes numbers or
patterns but it's hard to for me to say
it was comfortable or uncomfortable what
I learned even that's like so hard like
I can say at 250 I started walking and
then I had to know 3:45 I stopped
walking or like this exact things with
numbers it's really easy for me in fact
in my diary I have all these numbers of
note the numbers are the numbers of the
time when I arrived at a specific place
and this has been my habit for the last
seven years so yes I was talking about
autism and then yes the notebook it's
was really hard for me to write from my
perspective and I look at someone else's
notebook and he was really good at
making like is us even not his
perspective but it's like persona he
made up because he's an actor and he's
really good at thinking about like this
first-person perspective and how he felt
through this person and which was like
totally not possible to for me to do it
and then I started to think that I'm
something wrong with my writing or
perception and then interestingly after
that workshop I started working in a
neuroscience institution and then people
told me about autism and then I google
it more and more and then I found that
I'm on the spectrum but I don't have a
proper diagnosis so I cannot actually I
shouldn't actually probably publicly say
it but then what's the benefit of having
a diagnosis that doesn't really benefit
myself because I don't really get like a
health insurance or whatever like a yeah
like a support from the government
because there are quite a lot of high
functioning autists and people and for
low functioning autism people there are
support but for us it's yeah like
because we can talk like other people
it's a bit weird but we can talk we can
live by ourselves so they think that our
we are normal but anyways so anyways we
I have my problem with my brain and this
is actually a photo of my brain which is
partly it's half true and half false
because you can't really take a photo
brain unless you open my skull this is a
well actually I took MRI MRI of my brain
and I 3d printed it I was really
fortunate that I got the data and I 3d
printed and this is a photo of my 3d
printed brain and I started working on
tapestry work which is actually based on
the pattern of my brain I just I want to
talk about the tapestry
or textile because it has quite a lot to
do with the computation if you look at
the history the punch card of the
programming came from the jacquard loom
these punch cards the patterns and then
they became Fortran whatever a
programming language is a punch card but
this history is really interesting that
for me it's more interesting to look at
how we can translate one knowledge to
another from like more not just a
surface like we I don't say the punch
card is only the surface of these two
this connection of these two things but
there must be something more like it's
something deeper between computation and
for example tapestry or I talked about
other things but so this is a program I
wrote to generate a tapestry pattern
based on computer vision some kind of
analyst analysis of my brain shape and I
made this automatically generate these
patterns and I did weaving by hand it
took like a month to do it and this is
not really finished yet I mean this one
thing is finished but I want to continue
working on it and think about what's
possible like how I can translate
knowledge from computer programming for
example to weaving or vice versa
the other thing well that quite a lot of
things that around programming I'm
interested in like merging together and
one thing is movement I like to be on a
stage like now and I like to dance and
if you look at a history there's also
something with dance and let's say
notation not so much of a programming
but notation that builds the for example
an algorithm this is Lebon notation made
in like nineteen
okay 20s and basically what he did is I
always find this figure really funny but
basically the idea is he assigned
different symbols to each part of the
body by the way this is from Wikipedia
and so each part of the body has
different symbols and based on the
height or directions you could add some
colors or like different filling and
then you can describe the position or
the direction of the movement and with
this like it's like a musical notation
like in a time domain you can have more
notations and describe dance movement or
dance piece but the idea is not to
describe like a ballet movement for
example it's just a one way of looking
at movement and also people I haven't
learned this notation but people learned
this notation can look at this score and
do the movement which is really
interesting because it's not really
about archiving the dance movement but
transforming the dance movement to
something else and you can potentially
do some kind of like run some kind of
algorithm to morph it and play it again
or like this gives like so many
possibilities but I think so many things
have been done by John Cage and these
amazing artists so I wouldn't really
propose something new here the other
relationship between movement and
computation or geometry is for example
oh special Emma I think artists here
they are really tired of this Bauhaus
thing this year but yeah I had a project
supported by this part in the frame of
Bauhaus and good Institute and Bloomberg
to work with Cory
for Raphael Hillebrand and dancers from
Hong Kong Academy for Performing Arts to
create a 21st century version of Oscar
flavor and I can I have a video
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so basically there's a video camera
which actually shows it's actually
showing here is tracking while capturing
the dancers and we're using algorithm or
the library called open polls to track
ten dancers and visualizing it on the
screen and it's funny that like Shalimar
did the same thing without technology or
technology like analog technology it's
sticking these sticks on the body but we
did really complex computation to track
bodies and showing it here which is not
even like augmented which is like on the
flat screen and you can see a bit
delayed body is moving in the screen
with the lines okay so that was like my
interest with first one is tapestry the
second one was movement and then but
also like I'm really interested in just
these lines like Halima was interested
back then on a stage but I'm interested
with the pixels or screens and how to
show or choreograph these dots of lines
but this itself is not actually a new
thing like in like 21st century we can
download these amazing tools for
computer graphics and make these things
happen
but back in 1982 there was this program
hold 10 print which is just one line of
code in basic 10 is the address and
print character at the address of 200
5.5 was random which becomes either a
forward slash or backslash and go to 10
which is like a classic or go to loop
and if you run it it shows four slash
and backslashes just in a random
sequence and after a while you can see
interesting patterns showed up well this
is that recreated version with
processing this is the processing I use
processing to create this slice and I
use this to make videos or the video
that I showed with a 21st century of
stick dance I used processing to make it
processing is made by Ben fry and K
Series in 2001 and the idea of
processing is to make coding easy for
example if you want to show a triangle
on a screen with opengl like c language
you have to write all these lines and
this is just a part of the code just to
show a triangle but it makes more sense
to have a draw function and have
triangle function so this was like a
revolutionary thing with processing that
you don't have to think about these
crazy things about opengl and you can
just have triangle ellipse circle
rectangle to draw shapes which actually
shows a triangle be the same code and I
started drawing things like grids or
yeah like particles to make a star field
I'm really obsessed with sine waves and
more sine waves and also I'm interested
in using the code with other modalities
like I showed the movement but for
example like text and oh sorry this was
a different slide no okay I was doing
this experiment
to have a little bit of meditation every
day and think about the shape in myself
and I was drawing shapes with
handwriting or processing and at the
same time I was doing some movement
exercises which is kind of funny to look
at it now because I was just recording
whatever movements back then and it was
not really made for showing to other
people so it's really funny to see some
screenshots from these movements but
this movements were like meant to
describe the same shape as I drew in
processing or with the handwriting and
drawing and and then I was also
interested in text or poem and how I see
poem is not always based on text but
often it's based on like it evokes like
shapes or patterns colors so I started
to like draw shapes that was evoked and
this is why I started this is because
there was interesting workshop about
machine learning where we were asked to
categorize different points and it was
really hard like you can just categorize
them based on the style or I don't know
whatever emotion it's triggers but I
decided to first convert them to a shape
and then based on these shapes I can
easily categorize them is that circle or
is it more square or a triangle and for
example this shape is more like a
rectangle or like a more like a grid
other ones are like it's more like 3d
shapes I also collaborated with a writer
or dancer Jenny Harrington to make this
kind of interactive videos with text
okay so it was like going to like
different directions but now I want to
go back a bit to the diversity part
about programming
this is p5.js which is spin-off of
processing and it's started by Lauren
McCarthy in 2012 and the idea is to make
processing like creative coding
environment but on the web because
processing you have to still have to
it's really easy to use but you still
have to download the program processing
IDE and then you have to use that one
and you cannot easily share your program
unless you take like screenshot or a
screen recording of the video to put it
on Instagram for example but if it's on
web you can just send link and then
everyone can see it
or you can either use platforms like
open processing where you can just start
writing your code with p5.js and it's
gonna show up in the gallery and people
like each other's sketches and even
people fork your sketch to make
something new based on your sketch what
is interesting about p5.js is its
community I'm gonna read it it's a bit
long but I mean it's not long text but
in this is the longest text in my slide
p5.js community statement p5.js is a
community interested in exploring the
creation of art and design with
technology we are community of and in
solidarity with people with from every
gender identity and expression sexual
orientation race ethnicity language
neuro type size ability class religion
culture subculture political opinion age
skill level occupation and background we
acknowledge that not everyone has time
financial means or capacity to actively
participate but we recognize and
encourage involvement of all kinds we
facilitate and foster access and
empowerment we are all learners we like
this hashtag
no cold snobs because we value community
over efficiency new kid love because we
all started somewhere on a certain core
because we don't assume knowledge and
blacklivesmatter because of course so
this is like a different direction a bit
different direction from processing
because processing was still like
lowering the barrier to start coding for
everyone but still it was more yeah like
a white man dominated me based on this
media art old media art culture but
p5.js is explicitly breaking this thing
and assuming that everyone is a learner
and for example if you ask questions on
github like this doesn't work usually
and most of the projects they will just
close your issue and they say you know
just look at the document but p5.js is
quite different has a different approach
for example if they people ask something
on the issue then they think that that
means the documentation is not good
enough or they have to point them to the
proper documentation and don't just kick
them out and that's the inclusion and
which I like about p5.js and quite
different from the examples with lines
and dots I really like this example from
processing community day possible
made with p5.js which i have this well
if you go to their website you can see
the real-time version and it's just a
particle system it's the same as doing
the same thing as doing dots and lines
but it shows the emojis of different
people and this really makes different
like I really think that examples in
processing an example in p5.js is quite
different in this aspect
and I said processing community
community de basil but what is
processing community day it started in
2017 processing has quite long history
as the programming language but actually
they only started like an official meet
up in 2017 and that was the first
processing community day in Boston and
this year they started worldwide
movement so that people in different
communities they host their own chapter
of community processing community a and
the nice thing is written here for in
the process PCD organizers kit for the
PCT is a day but about to celebrate art
code and diversity around the world so
it's not only about celebrating art and
code but it's about art code and
diversity so I was really interested in
doing PCD bringing that in Tokyo because
I was a I participated in Boston and
then I really thought that we have to do
this in Japan because I'm from Japan and
at that time I was not living in Japan
but I felt that I have to go there and I
have to organize this thing and in
February last February it happened there
were three organizers yes though and
Iowa and myself and we had nearly 150
people coming to the event we had
keynotes
we had workshop this one I particularly
particularly like it because it's hard
to see it in the screen but it was a
workshop intellectual introductory
workshop in p5.js to draw flower
patterns which is really colorful and
also we had interesting lightning talks
for example this one was about teaching
grade four kids to write processing and
it is difficult and not just because of
learning programming but they don't know
how to type to begin with
so he explained us like a different ways
for them to type actually he doesn't
really introduce how to code like
interactive programs but just to start
with this lying commands or triangle
commands so that you can draw something
like a static image on the canvas and
then you can go to more complex examples
and we'll have a PCD Tokyo 2020 next
February first so if you happen to be in
Japan please check this out and this
cover image we just made it with amazing
artist Rihanna she did these square like
this wave texture thing in the square
and taka heated tiling and she nudie she
did yeah post editing of this thing with
the logo so it's really like a
collaborative thing and it's not like
there's a guru in processing and
everyone follows that person but it's
more about making a community and yeah
working together and finding something
new and also I don't have a slide for
this but I organize weekly meetup in
cologne right now creative code cologne
or but the acronym is not good so we
call it creative code code so C CK every
Thursday so if you are in the area
please check that out
and in this PCE 2020 we will have a new
session for live coding live coding is
can be interpreted in different ways but
for us it's a performance to be on the
stage and write program and perform at
the same time and for example this is a
photo of Cody I think they are based in
York City and they make visuals and
sound together at the same time with
manipulating the code on the stage and
this is really also interesting
community this live coding because it's
still really small community and it's
really wide spread across the world and
there's no like hub right now and which
makes people everyone old artists really
nomads and they know each other they
respect each other and that makes really
diverse community which I really like
and I think I still have quite a lot of
time and I want to introduce you my
website this is a archive of sketches
I'm making and recently I started to
write about Hydra it's an online book
book I mean I just started as an article
Hydra is live coding environment web
based and you can make visuals really
quickly and if you open Hydra interface
you can start with the example it shows
up with an example and then also you can
just start from scratch simple
oscillator and you can add motivation
and you can change them and goes crazy
and crazier and this is really nice
because I just I'm just now live coding
and performing and it's it's really nice
to do it on the fly and it goes like
crazy and crazier but because I'm
interested in algorithm I started to
think about how to make this more
systematic like not just randomly like
finding
crazy patterns but how can I make more
like a theoretical understanding of this
language because this is really
interesting I know by the way Hydra is
made by Olivia Jack she's really amazing
artist Room Columbia sometimes she's in
Berlin so you might happen to meet her
okay so the idea of this book is to
start with basic textures and discuss
like different filters and how to make
it like a systematic way or like
understanding what is actually happening
in the code or like how is it these code
interpreted and why sometimes thing
doesn't work sometimes things work like
why like this is my interest like my
interest is often not about making
pretty visuals which is maybe not which
might be the reason why I'm not the
great artist that I'm not really
focusing on the appearance but I'm more
interested in what is happening behind
but it's interesting to think about for
example like if you start with square
oops yeah it's okay you can repeat the
pattern and you can layer them with a
bit of offset
I actually don't know you can make these
patterns and then what I proposed in my
book is extending this idea to make RGB
pixel like pattern and also chaining
this with another oscillator to make it
really look like a low resolution RGB
LCD just paste it and run it it works I
can add some animations in here so it's
like I also like a cookbook that you can
just take those snippets and modify it I
try to explain what's behind Hydra but
yeah if you're interested please look at
this online book and I also have some
sketches that are maybe not this one
maybe this one this is made with p5.js
and I took a code from P code which is
made by a kioku Bota and Yosuke Hayashi
and basically this little line of code
is evaluated into musical notes which is
kind of like really like an old
synthesizer but I added like p5.js
reactive visual and you can also this
yeah you can do live code with this as
well
it sounds really broken but it's
actually working properly I mean this is
also a fun part of life code because
it's not always about success like you
get like some weird results and that
might lead to a new like a discovery but
in this case of Hydra I was like writing
this online book to compensate this
trial error part by analyzing it and I
think both has to happen at the same
time like sometimes you need to really
analyze it but sometimes you just have
to give it a try and see how it goes
okay
so next I want to go to another version
of Hydra which is also made by Olivia
it's called pixel Jam it's really
amazing I hope it runs here because it
needs online connection it's starting
basically pixel jam is collaborative
live coding environment online live
coding environment you can add more
things but basically if you it's like a
basically it's like a chat you type your
name and I asked people to join around
this time but no one's here yeah I
should say so basically the idea is
someone modifies the buffer here and
then someone else edits here I don't
know what would be interesting I can add
colors or oh there's someone
what I don't know these guys but yeah
they just came at the right time that's
great
yeah I don't know like how to continue
this talk because I was thinking about
just starting to live code and like it's
I think it's really interesting to live
code and talk about it over there's
someone that's great well it's quite a
lot of people so maybe I can just let
them play and I can talk through I mean
this is really amazing idea because live
coding on the stage is already really
amazing because you see people coding
and it's like in a way it's more like
intimate because you get the you know
the process and it's you just see like
what's happening behind and this is like
so amazing because you can just like you
don't have to go to the the live coding
performance you just have to sit on a
couch at home and then you can code with
others and it becomes like really
amazing performance yeah I don't know
like I like this idea yeah I don't know
if early some of you is doing this but
you can just yeah modify the code and
you can play with it just a delay here
and again like shout out to Olivia jack
because she made this and she's
maintaining all these things she's just
amazing
yeah but this is not really crazy yet oh
no no but they are not like new people
right they know how to do it like if you
don't know the syntax it's like so hard
to write like okay now I'm really this
is actually like okay I think this is
really amazing performance or talk
because like now I don't know what's
happening but it's just like amazing
but that's something I wrote before I
think someone took from the history and
wrote it yeah I don't know like is it
possible to like do the cue and
questions and this like simultaneously
or is it like so distracting or
like I just like to be like freestyle
but I think this place I feel there's
like a bit of a structure that doesn't
allow me to freestyle too much yeah or
just I can just leave it like this and
move on to the Q&A I think that works
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and that's when you do live demo sings
which people can join in this will
happen at Congress people will join in
they will find your character it's copy
they play around with it they still have
to learn yeah there's a lot of errors so
now you have the chance to ask a
question we still have a bit of time if
you want to ask a question please line
up at the microphones we have three of
them so you have the right of a choice
and we have some money at mic one please
start well thank you so much for your
inspiring a very small question and that
is how does that whole thing relate to
the demo scene is there like is that
like the 2019 version of the 80s demo
scene or is that something completely
new or you know oh like this live coding
thing or the live coding as well as kind
of the combination of visual coding and
sound and all these things yeah I mean
this is nothing new like people are
doing this like quite like this has like
really long history and I think I really
have to learn it but I think it's just
oh it's really blank you just have to
like keep reinventing because like as
soon as it like there's like a
saturation like this is right now it's
really nice but maybe after 10 years
like only me and Olivia's like it's just
doing this or something like that and
then we become kind of guru and that the
game becomes like really hard for other
people to join this community for
example and I think it's we have to like
keep like rebuilding and also noticing
what's who's in the community and yeah
like it has to like this metabolism or
yes has to keep the community really
healthy which is I think a really
interesting and important I don't know
if that answers but that's that's what I
think about this p5.js or processing
processing community day or this live
coding scene that
really interesting about and it's not
only about the aesthetics or the
audiovisual thing okay question from
Mike number two yes did you ever try to
work with translation from dense
notations like the Lavin square
notations and put them back into code
into these live coding environments and
then somehow create a feedback loop
between this and maybe actually physical
movement not specifically with a lot of
notation but I think that's really
interesting idea but I always like a bit
I'm always a bit careful about doing
this feedback loop because as a concept
it's really interesting like adding
different things but as soon as it gets
really like so many components and you
don't know what's affecting what it's
just become chaotic and sometimes I just
then I I was doing like machine learning
to understand movement and how to be
really visual and these things I've
tried a bit but then I started thinking
that my brain is more interesting than
machine learning so why not just think
about take one movement or take a shape
and related to something else and also I
have a new project upcoming web
residency so I'm gonna reside in from
web to create online archives so it's
continuation of my archive but making a
bit more make thinking about curating
and doing exhibition of my work online
and then maybe do another exhibition of
exhibition or exhibition of exhibition
of situation and breaking this current
politics around galleries museums and
how people sell art works like physical
in a physical way sorry I think it went
something somewhere else
it's like we have a question from the
internet please is this working
what do you think is the easiest way to
get started and getting ideas for
programming something graphical with
processing I think that's really
interesting question that yes for me I I
think I'm not a good example because I
studied engineering and I already knew
how to code but it I think it depends on
like the level like if you know already
know programming then it's easy to just
look at examples on processing like if
you download processing you can it comes
with examples like bunch of nice
examples and you can mix them play with
them and to understand what's what you
can do but if you're new to programming
there's really amazing YouTube channel
called the coding train by Daniel
Schiffman and I recommend you to watch
this YouTube channel microphone number
one thanks for cool talk and the cool
toilets that you introduced I was
playing around with Butera when you told
us so I missed the rest of the talk but
I have quite a stupid question when you
3d printed your brain what color did you
choose that's super important actually
because I didn't really choose the color
because I was working at the University
and I just sent the STL another G code
to whatever available 3d printer and it
was light blue and it turned out that I
recently I do my nails and that's light
blue and I like this color now and I
also like my brain and my friend did
brain
we have one more question from the
internet did you manage to find other
autistic people with similar interests
through your art sorry it's Kim say it
again did you manage to find other
people on the autism spectrum with
similar interests through your art yes I
think this was really important for me
because at first when I noticed that I'm
autistic I was really discouraged like
maybe I shouldn't do art because I'm
good at programming but maybe this art
thing is not art is not my thing but I
never an artist who is working with
bluto movements and all the autistic
pluto movement side which i don't really
understand but she's really like
positively analyzing understanding the
neurodiversity and which i still don't
know how she's managing to relate these
art and neurodiversity but i learned
that it's possible like it's not yeah
it's possible so at first I was really
having difficult like hard time like how
do we date it like first I was like
interested in interested in EEG like
brainwaves and somehow relate this
because it's a brain signals and I can
do media art like controlled with
brainwaves and blah blah and then at one
point I thought okay I should just do
meditation and think about shapes and
movements and this is like already
interesting way of connecting this
neurodiversity and art or digital art so
yes like I it's not there are not many
artists but for example Erin Manning
she's teaching in Concordia University
in Montreal she's her books are
yeah like describing about art and
and I highly recommend her books okay I
haven't questioned for myself that's the
nice thing I have also chance to get a
question out
have you thought about doing something
like this as an art installation at
Congress so that was like a short
introduction or so I'm saying that
people can play around you in Congress I
mean we have a lot of art installations
which are programmable in a way and
people love them so yes sorry it was not
refreshing so I restarted it yes like
I'd love to do it and please invite me
yes like right now like my portfolio is
really scattered and it doesn't I don't
I don't know what I'm doing but yeah
this this is what I made before so it's
not this person's creation this is my
code anyways no no but this is actually
the important part they could remixing
something someone else's code and doing
something else sorry
going back to the question yes I would
love to do something this this year like
I was its first time here and actually
it was really like short notice like
yesterday I was asked to give a talk so
yeah I I was not really prepared but or
maybe like tomorrow maybe I can show
something somewhere yeah like maybe it's
possible everything is possible
and we have another question that
microphone MIT
yeah well during your talk yeah I saw
that you have a lot of interest in dance
movement and in creating these really
weird visuals I came up with the thought
of how would it be to combine those both
skills with a green screen which Wedeman
use when you know you know it how would
that be if you could block yourself out
or if someone else could well if you
wear green you could do an interactive
programming and just Green appears on
the screen you're away or oh yeah I mean
you're blocked out or yes just an ID my
brain came up with that yes thank you
for that I think I done something
similar but it was not it wouldn't have
enough time to explore it but I'd love
to love this think I'd love to work on
it because I think I want to work more
on the physicality of and Oh what okay
okay okay sorry yeah I want to like work
with like a physicality and also about
digital thing like I think this is what
you said it's not myself but I was
working with the dancer and yeah like he
was wearing something green and hiding
inside the digital world yeah I think
there's like so many ways I would say
the next thing I really want to do is
with my nails I want to really high
really want to have like a generative
pattern nails but I don't know how like
what's technology I need I really don't
know like I mean technology okay like I
just need a small display or something
but that's that's not the point and I
have to have to think about it thank you
but thanks for the suggestion whoever
enough is a question microphone number
one thank you
and thank you for your talk
I was just interested I mean you
mentioned puto and you talked about life
coding and I would really appreciate if
you could think about like how you would
draw a connection between butoh as a
form of dance and life coding is
actually another artist Johanna Chico
she is working exactly on butoh move
well like she studied Bhutto and she
performs with her body and also live
coding and this one also I don't know
much about the concept but there are
people working on it and maybe one day
I'm also interested in working in this
topic but Bhutto itself is like I kind
of I'm afraid to touch this topic
because it seems like I have to study a
lot about Bhutto like about history and
yeah like who's doing what and how I
interpret Bhutto because like I think
there are too many artists who don't
really know much about Bhutto but they
pretend that they know Bhutto and I
think the real Bhutto dancers are kind
of tired of this so but I really
interested in the idea of Pluto like for
example like imagining like a fish
inside the body and to move it with it
like what we just actually kind of
related to the meditation idea that I
had that to think about the shape and
visualize it but not always mean by
movement okay thank you very much we are
running out of time so we have to end
this here but thanks for your talk
thanks for these amazing impressions I
hope we'll see more from your ID at
Congress perhaps this time or next time
there's always next time and so all the
songs for answering patiently all the
questions and please another big round
of applause for our no.2
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