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hello and welcome to another episode of
chaos family um this time um no let me
start over what we want to do with this
show is present you are uh get you
interested in all the people and and
groups and operating centers and all the
interesting uh people on the campgrounds
that do stuff that um to show you how
how diverse and how big and how um
interesting um the event is and the
people running around here with me on
the couch we have three members of
milway one of the largest group at the
groups at the camp um let's start let's
start with um tum then we have crown and
Emerson thanks for
joining we'll do the cat
thing I'm not sure yeah okay whatever I
have to EMP emphasize all three of them
are here voluntarily we did not force
them to join us here it's a
lie so um let's start with you uh decide
between uh the three of us who's going
to take them the the question could you
describe me what milliways is Emerson I
love the way everyone points at me it's
like this feels profoundly unfair um so
milliways is a running joke that became
a thing so um okay for to understand
this you have to go back a ways so first
there was The Hitchhikers Guide to the
Galaxy which is a um started out as a
British radio play then became a novel
big Global hit um
absurd exist tionalist comedy uh science
fiction comedy and right from the right
from the very earliest days of the camps
and right from the earliest days of the
CCC this
ancient
absurd English language
profoundly British Science Fiction
comedy has had a real influence
throughout the whole history really of
the CCC because they all date from about
the same era which is the late '70s
and um milliways is the restaurant at
the end of the universe from first the
radio play and then the book and then
the TV series and then the movie and so
on and so forth all of which by the way
are great they haven't they they really
haven't aged at all so totally recommend
go away read those watch those and so
what happened was was that over the
years the hacker Community um obviously
is very International it
spans most of the continents of the
world in fact actually we even went to
an tactica together um with the tour
Camp folks and um what ended up
happening was that there was kind of
like a coming together of a bunch of
folks from the US who came over to one
of the first camps in the early 2000s
and basically their organization was a
complete disaster like a com you know
like Dreadful and they found themselves
kind of like weirdly stranded um and
really in need of like a friendly face
and that's really how it all got going
we were literally like all thrown
together um I ended up cooking for the
very first I ended up cooking for the
very first iteration of milway literally
because the Americans had brought
nothing and it was just like okay right
well clearly we need to feed you guys
we're all just going to go to Metro and
just go and do a a massive run you know
and and out of this sort of like bubling
chaos this idea of like well actually
you know what we really enjoy each
other's company um so what's happened
over the years is that the Europeans
have spent go every year to the states
usually for Defcon or t Camp Turon um or
any one of the other sort of crazy
Adventures including the Antarctic one
um and then the Americans who run events
in the states come here and middleway is
kind of this sort of like weird a
running J that became an aeration that's
Now sort of metamorphosed into a big
thing because most of us actually are
experienced conference organizers
experienced event
organizers um or like you know come from
different backgrounds which basically
mean that you know we can kind of come
around the things that actually really
kind of like unite us as a as as a group
of people which is um a love of eating
drinking and like absurdist jokes and
Tech technology it's kind of like all
sort of together it was very kind of you
to avoid saying drugs yes yeah shut up
we don't say that here this is like this
is a family show like ethanol in beer
shush shush quiet um what about the
Scottish Embassy and their wine thing
okay so so the the the story with all of
those guys is that so as the years have
gone on and milway is actually moved
between events so we did obviously we've
been doing the camps we've been doing
the Dutch events we've been doing the US
events but then we've also done things
like EMF in the UK electromagnetic
fields yeah electromagnetic field and
we're very good friends with all of the
organizers of these events and so of
course now when there's a European you
know when there's event in Germany or
event in the Netherlands and they're
like it's like it's a natural place to
come because you know multilingual first
language is English very often um and
this always attracts a good mixture of
people from our so nobody actually feels
EXC even if we like from you know we
have a lan contingent you know which is
like it's tiny you know it's like oh
you're so small you want to pet them um
but it's probably deeply patronizing um
but what that means is is that all all
of these folks can come and really sort
of like just just just come and hang out
and it's very very easy on top of that
over the years milliways has also
attracted um a number of people who are
in the in the tech and security
Community really quite famous you know
like we always just have Dan Kaminsky
come stay with us we always used to have
you know he sadly departed now um but
you know there all these other sort of
like you know folks who are relatively
speaking fairly famous and they're like
and you know you could always just come
and camp with us and it was always just
an Open Door it still is an Open Door
show up you know so to give you a
breather um maybe one of one of you two
want to U pick up on that um how do I
get into milway do I have to be an
organization like EMF camp or the
Scottish Embassy to join to join milway
do have to sign up forms if I'm if I'm
attending for example EMF camp in the UK
as a European sorry
um can I just show up and say hi milway
I'm here um how how does this work how
do I can I as an individual join milway
at an event I mean that that's more or
less how I ended up here so um the the
the entire story about how I ended up
here involves uh a big backstory but in
in a way Milly ways actually ended up in
me moving to to Germany where I've I've
been living for now more than than 10
years I showed up to the first camp and
I had no idea what to expect I had no
idea what I was doing or or why even I
was was here and
then one of the first things you do when
you get to Camp is where am I going to
pitch my tent like who am I going to
hang out with I don't know anyone here
and somebody whispered in my my ear
hey go over to the Millway Village they
are friendly
people sometimes they cook food but they
always cook food and they're always
friendly and for sure you will have a
good time and whoever whispered in my
ear thank you from from the future uh
you absolutely 100% correct and it's
it's nice especially during this event
I've heard as some people have been
walking around Camp showing people
around that's more or less the
description of of milway that that I
overhear ah yeah there's the milliways
they're generally nice people very
friendly you can hang out there and they
cook
food so the topic of food came up uh
quite often now um apparently is are the
British still in charge of of of the
kitchen no no I abdicated those
responsibilities ages
ago so no this year I have organized uh
the kitchen um and I came to milway
similarly to you so uh I wanted to go to
may contain hackers last year and I
didn't want to do some tiny sub village
with friends I I didn't know whom of my
friends were going well plenty but um a
friend of mine said let's go join milway
and that's how it started first time at
milway and uh this year due to some
interesting uh things going on in our
own organization uh at gpn a few friends
of mine came up to me hey we could need
someone to run the milway
kitchen yeah um so I said yeah let's see
and it was very little time to plan the
kitchen it's it's worth pointing out at
this point that Millway has been going
for pretty much pretty much much nearly
20 odd years so like this this
organization has been through several
iterations right people coming people
going yeah people coming people going
people having kids you know like getting
on with their real getting on their real
lives you know because the camps the
camps and events are annual or by annual
and they're like you know you kind of
like see and you kind of see the same
people but they're like little snapshots
into
their lives and you know of course we're
all very good you know like over the
years those of us have been around
forever we're all very good friends now
and you know and that's that and and I
think it's actually really help to build
um
the the hack the the the cold computer
hacker scene or hack movement is
actually very very different compared
depending on where you are around the
world right the US tends to be very Tech
Centric it tends to be very Silicon
Valley Centric Germany on the other hand
and you you know it tends to be far more
politically oriented because of the
because of the history of the CCC and
where it comes from and the Dutch and
the British are kind of somewhere in the
middle and you know and everybody else
it's it's a big old mess um but one of
the things one of the really interesting
things is that when you bring all these
people together with all of their
alternate view
points you actually have a really
interesting and productive discussion
about okay well you know who's right is
the wrong word but it's like for example
the European in in the case of the
European Union the European Union is
very big on regulation the US on the
other hand is very not big on regulation
and you have people from two radically
different points of view and who work
generally speaking for very large for
for companies that come from radically
different places actually sort of like
stick them in a field together right
shove a bunch of beer in them like and
then give them soup right and that
pretty much forces them to talk
right and after you've spent like an
hour like chopping stuff with somebody
else and by the end of that you're
either really bored or you've made a new
friend you know and that new friend
might well come from somewhere
completely different so also something I
need to emphasize so last Camp I went
with a couple of friends and it was
great yes but this time I'm just meeting
so many people there there are so many
new faces and maybe may we didn't fully
uh talk about how do you get to
milliways we um are very open about this
you don't need a friend who tells you
hey let's join milliways together uh on
our Matrix chat random people showed up
in the last few weeks hey I would like
to join mil milliways can I be in we
were like hey welcome to milliways
you're one of us now um the only
constriction now is our camping ground
is R out there was no more space so if
you plan on joining milway for one of
the next
camps um there is I think a Vicki or
Matrix Chann basically say yeah I would
like to come by it's not it's not a
regulation thing it's just how much
space do we need how much we're going to
have to start packing the tents
three-dimensionally I mean basically the
minimum skill level is can you peel a
potato without killing yourself that's
it and even even that's and even then
you still do the dishes or whatever yes
if you can't we'll find something else
yeah so so it's not it's not just just I
want to come back to the topic of of
food and and food preparation so it's
not like you have a kitchen team that
does all the cooking it's a communal
thing or how how does it work it's
communal it's largely communal it's and
to today actually our Spanish friends
took over the kitchen we had planned
this together I think everyone was
really happy about the food the the line
went all the way to Y okay I I think
when we're talking about the food it's
really important to give a sense of
scale so you say okay we have a kitchen
we cook food what does that mean well we
plan two meals a day for the duration of
Camp some stuff during buildup some
stuff during tear down for this year
approximately 500 people and that is an
immense logistical effort which I get to
take absolutely no credit for this year
uh which I'm very happy that I don't
have to take credit for that legit iCal
effort uh and to to get everything in
order from the
suppliers months in advance making sure
that not only are there things for
people to eat but that there's things
that people can eat figuring out what
recipes scale how to cook those recipes
with people who are not professional
chefs aren't necessarily working uh as
as professional Sue chefs or something
like that in a way that is in Conformity
with the health and safety regulations
that nobody gets hurt or poisoned or
worse or anything like that is a giant
lift which zoram has quietly avoided
taking credit for but let's loudly give
her the credit for pulling this off so
far no one is
poisoned I mean like we I mean over the
I mean over the years when it started
out I mean I was catering for what aund
people no yeah I mean like so I took it
from like small ad hoc to
approximately like very nearly the size
it is now and then I kind of like I got
busy with I got busy with my with with
real life and you know it's like okay I
handed it on to somebody else the
thing's been going for 20 odd years
right so that's plenty of time to go
okay done now hand it off to somebody
else you know and then old people like
me you know sort of like we just hover
around and and help out and try not to
be a
nuisance so um if someone wants to try M
ways you you mentioned the Matrix
channel is there website we can B maybe
we can put it on yeah there's a Wiki and
stuff way. info is the the URL there is
Wiki and all sorts of other information
uh about the organization but I think
and I I heard it a couple times the just
show up yeah show up and have the right
open attitude I mean the the the concept
behind Camp is all creatures are welcome
and that certainly applies to to us show
up volunteer be present and have a good
time yeah and just talk I mean like you
know if you if you hide in your tent
nothing happens right exactly you know
so come and volunteer you know chop some
onions chop yeah chop some onions chop
some potatoes but I mean or or simply
actually the easiest thing to do right
is okay so you're a new person that you
you've decided to take the plunge and
you're going to come to one of these
events like whether it's Camp whether
it's Congress whatever right you don't
know anybody and it's like right sh I
need to go make some
friends the easiest thing you can do is
here is certainly is show up with a
plate and a knife and a fork right
roughly about Meal Time serving Meal
Time right you so the way the system
works is that we don't just like Millie
ways in the book and the TV showc TV
series ET
yeah you never have to
pay um at milliways because if you've
ever had one penny in an account at any
point for the magic of compound interest
by the end of the universe you have an
infinite amount of money so therefore
it's fine so we don't charge in so we
ask for a donation obviously because we
still have to cover our costs but just
show up and eat and just sit at a table
and just talk to people that's it it's
the easiest thing in no oblig it's
literally the easiest thing in the world
and you know it's like one of these
things where it's like you sit down rub
bells to people know like drink the soup
eat the bread talk and that's it so I
think I it makes sense to come back to
this topic of Handover so there's
there's a problem that a lot of hobbies
and interest and those kind of
organizations have which is you have a
group of people and there's a certain
culture and you need to understand the
culture to get into it and then
eventually those people gray out and
because they're this sort of closed off
thing that's a little bit scary a little
bit we don't like Outsiders eventually
it dies off and then it goes away the
the fact that Milly ways has lived more
than um a very short time more than 20
years as you said is a testament to the
fact that that is the polar opposite of
of how things work people show up one
year they eat food they make some
friends they come to the next event they
volunteer in the kitchen they have a
great time they do that a couple times
in a row and then maybe they take over
the kitchen for one night and they do
that again and they start to really look
forward to it and maybe they take some
other
responsibility this year instead of
taking over a night in the kitchen I
ended up responsible for the entire
stage yeah and the other thing as well
of course is that you could is the is
that all that all of that interaction
also feeds back then into what else you
learn along the way because you know
like clearly you know it's like let's
let's chop potatoes and talk about
bgp for example I mean that's deeply
nerdy but you know it could be anything
it could be literally it's like you know
like are you interested in the
intersection between like politics and
say I don't
know surveillance Society how we
structure human relations in the age
where everything is technologically
mediated whatever you pick it you can
probably talk you know like you can talk
about and you will find someone else who
is interested in what you are interested
in but to to to just to Circle back to
make this really clear for the audience
that is has not been to any of these
events like EMF Camp uh CCC camp um
there is no obligation to pitch in no
show up Noe show up show up and that's
basically buy a ticket and show up it's
you're not going to get the sort of
guilty looks where people are like M
we've been keeping track and you haven't
been doing anything and there's not the
sort of oh there's that person who's
come to 10 events and never
helped there really no obligation but
but also I don't even think that's how
people in milliways work because when we
go out there and we're like oh we really
need some people to this or that right
now someone is always there some always
volunteers I'm just trying to to to to
to make sure that everyone understands
the barrier of Entry is very low you
basically buy a ticket get a tent and
show up show up and and manage not to
kill yourself peeling a potato yeah yeah
yeah it's it's like can you wash a dish
can you peel a potato without killing
yourself it's it's it's a very low bar
so basically you can train until the
next Camp to to to exactly can you boil
can you boil an egg well in all honesty
depends
in all honesty depending on the day
you're doing this you may learn how to
peel potatoes in one day that's true
after 25 kilos of potatoes you know how
to peel them you better be good at
this I mean quite serious though I mean
like so so it's one of these things it's
a cult so there's there's a the whole
Tech and hacker scene in general
actually kind of really has kind of like
a bit of a cultural problem in that it's
its perception is a shave is is really
shaped by the media and we really don't
help ourselves we all dress in Black we
all have like mostly weird hair I have
weird hair than you know you probably
are old enough to have lost most of your
weird hair but you'd have weird hair if
you could you know we mostly dress in
black and the rest of it apart from ZM
who's very helpfully trying to break
that stereotype um it's overwhelmingly
male dominated and um it talks in a
weird Arcane language that is very
difficult for Outsiders to really
penetrate but in fact actually it is
probably more important than ever that
people who are interested even if they
don't have a technical background
actually show up to these things because
technology really permeates and
undergirds the entire frame in which we
now
experience Modern
Life and if you don't understand that
environment that sits underneath you
it's like it's like a fish's
understanding of of water or a bird's
understanding of air unless you actually
understand what those things are then
you can't actually understand the the
way in which the ways that you think and
the ways that you act and the people
around you act
um clearly and as Gerta once put it none
are more completely enslaved than those
that falsely believe they're
free and really this is kind of like
what a lot of this is actually about
it's like let us understand the air and
the water the Contemporary air and water
you know composed of electrons through
which we swim and with which we breathe
and on that bombshell we will end this
show now no thanks thanks but and it
also help there's also feedback the
other way around right so if someone
from outside the field correct shows up
and and talks to you you have to re
rethink how you phrase things how you
how you explain things how how you do
you explain some to someone how pgp
whatever works you use the word if um I
think it's very important to to
underline it's not if someone from
outside of the field shows up when when
they're
here thankfully thankfully yes
absolutely there there is next to us we
are sandwiched this year between the
yugant so young and upcoming people who
are security researchers and the family
Village and
and they are perfectly wonderful lovely
people and the yugant people are let's
say the the hackers of Tomorrow the
security researchers the people in
infosec and a lot of people in the
family Village someone of the family is
and the other people are absolutely not
just regular people we're regular people
too but they're more
regular of regular they're more regular
and and so it's not that they're coming
here just to to humor their family
members they're coming here because they
also are learning something
participating interacting with the event
getting benefit from the event providing
benefit to the event and the this event
and all of the events with Milow
ways the the whole idea is you're having
this mixing of people from all over the
different places the different security
areas the different parts of the world
and this exchange of idea and
information is a net positive for
everyone the sum is greater than than
the whole I'd also strongly suggest i'
i' I'd strongly advocate for more people
from with disabilities showing up more
people from more places around the world
not just the privileged white world
sorry you're privileged white guys you
and I'm proxy privileged white guy um
and more ethnic minorities and for a
very good reason it's because Tech
because in general people solve for the
experiences for for the problems that
they experience and the problem with
technology is that technology is so
often made up by white able-bodied men
so you end up solving for problems that
are experienced by white able-bodied
rich men like can't get a can't get a
taxi in San Francisco well I made Uber
can't get a cheap hotel room wherever so
I made Airbnb and so on and so forth
right now all of that's [ __ ]
meaningless if you are
from a own or you know if you're
disabled and like and what we actually
need to do is actually bring more of
these people in to learn the skills and
thought the the skills techniques and
thought processes to then enable them to
solve for the problems that they
experience and then feed that back also
into how
we build literally the world around
us and that's that's the feedback grop
we have at CCC camp and all the other
events as well exactly what did we do
right what did we do wrong how can we
improve and the broader the the audience
the broader the the PE the broader the
spectrum of people get into these events
the better it becomes and the more we
understand okay what did we not
experience what did we forget what did
we not see who did we not include yeah
who's missing who's missing who's
missing yeah so again uh M ways is a
perfectly good environment we really try
and actually we really very much go out
of our way to like invite people from
right across the Spectrum rest there
just show up you know um and you know
it's it's it's it's more important it's
given the pivotal the
pivotal role that technology really has
adopted in our lives it's more important
than ever than the people who are
actually creating
implementing um and
inventing literally the future around us
actually get experience and live the
World Through The Eyes of others and
that's actually very very hard because
you know like it's an extremely
neurodiverse community and what that
actually means is that very often people
actually get kind of like bit of
autistic tunnel vision right and we
don't necessarily see the world through
other people's eyes and events like this
is actually a very low stress way of
actually being able to see the world
through somebody else's eyes here's St
really stupid trivial example I was
talking to a a friend here um who is
disabled and um she can't reach the
buttons and the shower cuz she's too
short yep I I found out about that today
when I was taking a shower because there
was a woman with her daughter right next
to me and she was like oh I need to go
to a different one cuz I can't reach it
I'm really tall and I was like that's
what those wooden blocks and those ropes
are for I didn't know what they were for
yeah right yeah but it's like it's it's
but it's this very important thing where
it's like now unless unless that person
had ever shown up we would actually not
really ever realize that that barrier
was there yeah but unfortunately this is
also an example of how how slow we
sometimes learn because we had the same
issue four years ago at the last time
well that's and we didn't proove on that
yet that's that's that's that's that's
on you setting up the the stage but
that's not will that's not milway so
let's let's Circle so part of setting up
the stage uh this year uh for
organizational reasons a lot of the the
organization of the infrastructure was
pushed out from the core CCC into the V
VES and so uh in putting together the
stage the first thing is okay how can we
have a fantastic stage where the
presenter can give an amazing talk and
look good and make all of us look good
and and share their information and the
second thing is how can we accommodate
as many people as possible and uh the
the CCC has an organization which takes
a speci special care that people with
disabilities are able to enjoy that not
just things like there's a place for
people with wheelchairs but also for
people that have issues seeing that
there's Reserve spaces that the design
and the layout of the stage facilitates
people with mobility issues getting in
and out especially in uh case of an
emergency or something like that and
just all of these things that as an
able-bodied white man in the western
world aren't the first thing that you
think about and the as as much as you
can sort of Imagine right you say okay I
don't have this problem but I could
imagine that this might be a problem
that's nothing compared to the
accumulated experience of the people
that have those issues and need those
accommodations
and we weren't able to do everything
that we wanted to do to accommodate
everyone which is our bad not the
congress's and we will do better next
time and we will continue to do better
until there's nothing to do better at
the end of the universe when money is
infinite and we don't have accounts can
we can afford the din at the end of the
universe which is also infinitely
expensive yeah because you know um but
yeah I think that that's I I think
that's I think I think that's absolutely
right and I think as time goes on the
more the more people with the more view
with more viewpoints and um that you can
bring in and with more experiences that
you can bring in so much the better and
then that actually has a cross
fertilization then out into wider
Society more people then understand the
way that the way that the tech folks
work and the tech folks actually
understand more of the way the the real
world works and then hopefully then
they'll actually go out and solve
problems that are actually really
socially
meaningful right I I we're a little bit
pressed for time I have two topics I
want to T to touch on no it's totally
fine thank you very much it's awesome um
you mentioned already um uh when we
talked about the food that you ask for
donations um where does this milway coin
come in does is is this is this your way
of asking for donations is this a
completely different
thing it's it's actually history because
challenge coins in the US are really
really are really really common and I
have to interrupt you here you have to
explain the concept of a challenge coin
for the Europeans do you have one I
don't I totally didn't bring any cuz cuz
I I failed the couch so okay so um
challenge coins come from actually they
they they come from the US services and
the idea is is basically you you you
know like you know like you're a former
Marine or whatever and the rest of it
and it's like you pull out your
challenge coin and everybody else who is
in your organization or in your unit and
the rest of it has to put out their
challenge coin if they don't have it
whoever didn't have it has to buy the
round of drinks right dead simple That's
goes all the way back to the Vietnam War
but that in the States has has kind of
like bled over into everything else so
now at hacker cons right there were all
these challenge coins going around
because all of the units and the rest of
it you know have their own challenge
coins and that bled out into wi society
and so that idea ended up coming here so
in but that does kind of that culture
doesn't exist here so what they ended up
becoming was a collectible so because
there have now been so many events right
you can literally have a whole like
collection of these coins which we have
designed by a different designer for
each
event um and you know it's kind of like
become you know got a Pokemon got to
collect them all um so they're
effectively a momento but they're also
represent a way to basically support
support what we're doing right in a way
that again doesn't obligate anybody to
do anything doesn't obligate but you get
a very cool little like like souvenir
effectively of the event that you went
me to as well as Unforgettable memories
let's you know and it glows in the dark
I I just want to and they glow in the
dark this year this year's coin glows in
the dark it does glow in the dark yeah I
think something that's important and I
need to be a little bit careful in my
word choice milway is an
organization does not have a bank
account and so the things that we do the
infrastructure that we build the
experience expences that people share
are born shared
across
midways and uh as as nice as it is to
have the opportunity to go into the
individual people's bank accounts to be
able to provide these things it's also
nice to be able to say at the end hey we
were able to cover our costs and
everything's going to be all right and
because there's this there are no
expectations as far far as I know
there's never been a huge loss where
people were out of pocket for huge sums
of money the only
real thing that we have that we can say
hey uh thank you for supporting us is
the the challenge coin so it's not that
hey you come to the event and you buy
the coin and you're buying your way into
the village that's not at all the point
uh but rather hey you come you had a
good time you want to for what we're
doing great here's a souvenir and that
helps us defay the cost of doing all of
this even if you if you do not stay with
milway come by get a coin support the
correct it's a cool design you get a
cool design and then you know after a
while got to collect a moreall so
basically walk by walk by Will ways find
someone who looks bored like you did
this afternoon no no no do not do not
come and find me okay I do not find
people that look bored yeah we have a
really interesting uh and fun info desk
now oh have info desk this year yes we
we didn't think it would be finished
before Friday but it's there now um so
most likely during the day you will find
someone who will uh sell you coins there
and uh if not ask for it um or go to the
sticker box um so yes uh do not wake
anyone up for for them right yeah that
would be nice yeah yeah I mean
and one one last thing um I experienced
over the last events before the
Unspeakable time uh was there was an
evening of coming together at milway
where some beverages were consumed Oh
you mean whiskey leaks yeah yeah so whis
whiskey leaks come wh so whiskey leaks
started out as kind of like U fundraiser
for the for the legal defenses of
various various people and now it's just
become like that original purpose went
in the trash years ago cuz you know it
turned out that some people were
[ __ ] um and now it's just turned
into show up with whiskey and drink it
it's it's another excellent chance to
socialize um you know so if you want to
you bring a b is it bring your own
bottle or so so it so the way it works
is that if you if you have something
interesting that you'd like to share
please bring it um it's not your bottle
it just throw it into the pile and it'll
get drunk or alternatively if you want
to just come up and just have a taste
show up with a cup you know like have a
you know like drink something
interesting outside of your normal range
this year I found a bottle of whiskey
from in which is a mixture of like
Indian distilled in India but made with
a mixture of Indian like grain grown up
on the H malayas and smoked Scotch mold
so it's going to taste really weird but
weird is interesting and good
right I and so whiskey leaks is one of
the things that Milly ways organizes
there are people who camp with milliways
who don't drink alcohol there there are
people who camp with milliways who don't
smoke who are vegan who uh there are
people who eat only meat smoke
cigarettes constantly and I haven't seen
them sober in a decade it's it's not
that there's this particular type of
person that belongs or and you know what
if if whiskey leaks isn't your thing
there's something else going on yeah
yeah so we have a stall that started
today that is serving uh alcohol-free
chunk uh we have a whole espresso
escalation I would
say there can never be too much espresso
no no no there is too much espresso
we we challenge you to empty it this
it's also kind of like an international
arms race here because you have the you
have like the Europeans we have the best
coffee and the the the folks from
Seattle are like no we have the best
coffee and that's kind of escalated into
kind of like a a very strange
competition there are also other
competitions that that that like like
titanium Chef which is kind of like a
weird challenge thing that happened at
tour Camp um several years ago you know
like there's all sorts of just like
variously Bonkers things you know which
we which are highly entertaining and we
just encourage people just again to show
up for no so I mean we we put the
British next to the Scottish this year
and
so that's the there's also an Irish
contingent as well there is there's you
know um and and it's and it's kind of
interesting because again you know
like what you have is also an
environment where people actually just
realize they will just get on because
they will just share real just common
interest and you know National borders
and the rest of it are they're kind of a
bit of
a they're kind of a bit of a joke you
might have some fun with it but yeah
exactly you know it's an implementation
detail yeah yeah yeah and thanks for
bringing up all the other events I just
whiskey leaks is one example and of
course just show up and have fun and
talk to people exactly yeah exactly I
think uh tonight we will have some a lot
of culinary surprises as well
I mean dinner time is finished already
as far as I understand but we have some
more plans for today yeah that's true
there all oh there's also midnight fries
literally midnight fries it's literally
like it's midnight you've been out
partying all night and there is a bit
wet cuz you know it's it's the classic
thing of of you know like it's 3 a.m. in
the morning the clubs have just you know
I'm just done with clubbing and the rest
of it I need something greasy and of
course on a campsite there is no Kebab
so now it's just like right okay like so
we implemented midnight fries so thanks
for that information I think I will have
to drop by yeah yeah and the thing about
midnight fries is it's not that there's
somebody with with their watch and say
oh it's midnight it's time to make the
fries there's a kitchen there's the pot
there's the oil there's the fries the
first person who says you know what it
it feels like it's time for midnight
fries gets midnight fries going and then
from nowhere a swarm of people come and
help and then eat and then go back to
wherever they went and other people come
and clean up hopefully clean up I've had
to clean that fry too many times so we
we are almost hitting our time marks any
any last remarks from each of you on on
milway why people should come by why
people should come to the next event
where milway is sh up we're
nice that's it really just show up we're
nice what's What's the quote mostly
harmless yeah mostly Harless just yeah
just show up we're nice you know that
that that really is
it yeah it's uh a group of people who
are mostly nice and they cook
occasionally
yeah and I'd also say we add another
level of chaos with that International
angle yeah we're we're a camp within the
camp with sub camps that also have sub
camps yeah I know it's it's kind of it's
getting
weird in a good way I mean so the other
thing is is that it's changed out all
recognition over the last 20 years and
it'll keep changing and really actually
if you know like be the be the be the
change you'd like to see right so if you
find if if you as a person find you know
the world around you really interesting
you're curious about other people you're
curious about other cultures and it just
show up and once you get stuck in
literally become the change that you
wish to see in the world you're the
future of Millie way yeah come find out
what exactly that means together with
all of us yeah
exactly well I think there's nothing to
add we will cut it short here okay thank
you very much um so this was uh tonm car
and Emerson for milliways this was
another episode of K's family thank you
very much for watching and hopefully we
will see you soon have a great day
cheers
d