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hello and welcome to another episode of
ask the teams here at chaos
communication Camp 20
2023 with me on stage today are two
members of the NOC the network Operating
Center we have will H and nikot um and
we'll talk about what the noock actually
is what they do etc etc to give a little
bit of an uh impression of what how many
how much work goes into getting Internet
to the camp and to the people here into
the tents so uh let's start with the
team what network operat Center or
Internet manufactur which which name is
it what kind of both of them hello
everyone uh we most of the times are
called the knock but on the radio you
can't really distinguish between knock
vo lock Po and everyone else so we
prefer to be called internet
manufacturer at least on the radio and
it it sounds a bit better and sounds
more like what we do
here and and how how many people are we
how how big is the team
the team is about 30 people actually um
we we mostly work in English because we
have a lot of people from different
different countries from the Netherlands
from UK uh as well as just Germany so
we're a slightly different team I think
in in chaos events where we're working
really nearly always in English all
right uh so and and the the the the size
of the team of course varies during the
events a few people during during build
up and then gradually increasing until
yes yes
all of the work is is really in in
advance of the event and in in buildup
and and tear down and not less during
the event itself unless unless something
breaks exactly and and things do break
yes well it's the outdoors yes yes
exactly
yeah so um at a at a chaos event at a
heck event um internet is I think
the You could argue is it more important
than water and and waste we waste water
but it's one of the higher priority
items so um how how do we get how do we
get the internet to the camp how does
that how does that actually work because
we're in the middle of nowhere basically
so yeah so actually we this year we we
actually have two separate uplinks which
is quite nice um uh in previous camps
we've because it's difficult we've only
had one Uplink uh and uh in the meantime
fibra has been built a lot more for
ordinary users around the countryside so
we've been able to get a connection here
in the zigi park and also one a little
bit further away um uh where we had to
run a fiber through some Fields manually
uh to reach so you're actually taking
taking the fiber cables and running them
through Fields through trenches and yes
exactly yeah um there's a lot of cables
to been installed uh to around the site
which is actually more challenging than
than the because there's a lot of things
here at the zig Park um a lot of train
tracks and Tents and so on that are
maybe in the way is also quite important
in the planning stage so a lot of work
goes in the planning before the event
where do we have to lay fiber because we
need connectivity there and which routes
can we use to get the connectivity there
are there active train tracks so we have
to duck underneath or are there active
road Crossings and train tricks where we
have to build a bridge over it it's
similar with a power team so we
cooperate together and have a look at
each other plans and where we can do
stuff a bit simp simpler and only do one
Bridge or only one trench under the
trains uh train tracks but yeah this is
a lot of work before the event because
we we cannot really dig here there's a
lot of old brick work in the ground so
doing longer trenches is kind of
impossible and really
annoying so when when does planning
start for for for for all of this oh I
think the the first meeting usually is
around
gpn uh where we would be March March
yeah and that March April May in that
area where we get together meet who is
there so it's not like we don't have to
be there but it's always kind of nice to
meet friends and have a roughly uh idea
on what we are doing and then most of
the stuff is planned on the internet
from home doing kind of lot of uh C
works with a map doing uh planning all
the automation configuration planning
for this event is a bit easier because
we we already know the zalo park having
been here twice before already so we
know what we're facing with train tracks
and buildings and all this stuff so uh
that's a little bit easier and of course
things like there are some items which
are a longer lead time like arranging
the act up link is really that that work
starts perhaps a year in advance um just
just to be sure yeah so the project
office please please please find a new
location noock is looking for new
challenge
um any rodent incidents so far because
at the last I think last one or the one
before we had a few outages yeah yes yes
yeah no no rodent instance we have had a
a train run over fiber um and we've had
some other damage actually just
accidental um well I guess a rodent
eating a fiber is also accidental but um
yes uh some some other damage um and we
have some more resilience this time as
well um because of improvements yes and
also around the site as well um so we
don't have to kind of rush to to resolve
problems immediately I mean we we
already touched on it a little bit so um
we we have two uplinks to the campsite
um what what's the what's the bandwidth
um we have a a two uh 20 gig plus a 10
gig uh so we have we have 30 gigs
available little bit little bit smaller
than at Congress but uh yes yes it is
yes but actually the usage is is lower
right it's a different kind of event in
some ways and so you know our usage is
um I think I think like 5 gig or or so
around there so that that's perfectly
fine so the the usual Credo um use more
band with still applies yeah well people
can yes but actually most people should
enjoy other things than that yeah
there's plenty to see and do here
absolutely absolutely so uh once onceit
so we have Internet Uplink into some
sort of building in the data center
which we'll touch on in a minute um how
do you distribute this uh around the
campsite how you you already touched on
the topic of fiber so you're laying
fiber yeah yes so um it's it's a lot
easier for us because there's no real
distance limitation to just run a lot of
fiber so every Darden CL really has a a
fiber Uplink um of some sort so yes
there a lot of cables to run um all
around the site um and that's and that's
what Nico was talking about with the
planning and and the work required there
because we have to figure out how to run
these cables yeah and also a good thing
with fiber is it is electrical isolating
we have different generators on this
side es powering different grids which
are not necessarily on the same level
and we cannot connect these with copper
cables this is also why we required
unshielded ethernet cables this year to
be connected into the dart and cloth
because we had incidence in 2019 where
uh we had a coupling between two
generators on a shielded ethernet cable
luckily no hacker was harmed there but
we still wanted to make sure that uh we
can continue the tradition of not
harming any any hackers with power on
network in this year's event so the did
the gener generators you mentioned these
are the the Breen nerds the the power
generators to to produce the electricity
that all the hackers and Tents and
infrastructure needs yeah um and so we
have fiber all around the the campsite
um you're digging around uh below
usually you dig below the the the train
lines uh some accidents
happen so so you have fiber at at
several points at the campsite um and
I've seen some people are not familiar
with the dtin CLA so the the fiber ends
in the dtin claw at the switch probably
um so could you explain a little bit
what is the D and Clow uh where does
this come from how does this work for
people who have never heard of it so
actually what you need is is you need to
rent a large number of enclosures right
that you can put your stuff in that are
waterproof and easy to secure and um
well it turns out these plastic toilets
you can go to to an event rental company
and they they can figure this out so
they're not equipped as actually with
toilets they don't have chemicals and
there's not actually any toilet paper in
there they come right from the from the
factory right yeah actually these did
yes um and uh so so yes they but they're
easy to rent and lock up and and so it's
it's strange because people arrive and
they think oh wow there's lots of
toilets everywhere I'll Camp next to the
toilet it will be convenient it's like
yes it is convenient but for Wi-Fi and
internet
so so what's what's inside one of those
plastic
toilets uh at least a switch um some
Fiber yeah some Fiber connections um
some power like for the local things and
often things from from other teams as
well we even have a picture on the left
here yeah so yeah you see fiber spools
on the ground so usually our fiber comes
on spools and we don't get new fiber for
every event on the perfect length so
there will be uh usually more fiber uh
left and these both are in a dart Clow
uh and then there's a switch on the back
there's a Poe injector for the Wi-Fi
access point which is also attached to
the to the pole on the D and cl on the
outside and we see a little black box uh
on the right side with a yellow sticker
on it which is a cwdm splitter uh we
used this technique the first time last
year at MCH in the Netherlands and
reused that here too and we got a little
bit more what's what's the benefit of
using that or what's the fun ality of
this this is for for for for someone
who's not deep in technical this is
difficult to explain without a diagram
actually however there is we did a good
presentation on this at the MCH um uh
event uh but uh yes really it's it's so
we get some flexibility in how we run
the fiber and the number of CES of the
fiber we need um because you know we
have like around 65 Darden clothes so
there's a lot of that's a lot of stuff
um we want to we want to deploy this
efficiently and and not have quite so
many fibers because that gets very
difficult for us to manage but the the
basic stuff is you like with light uh
there are multiple colors of light and
you can do the same thing on fiber you
can have different colored laser Optics
on the fiber and break in and out just a
single color so we have four deks in a
row and each DEC has a different color
so in the end there's only one uh fiber
cable with two two CES in it powering
all four decays m and with this
technique we can also do redundancy a
bit better because we can break it out
from two sides so most of the decs here
this time have two times 10 gig Uplink
to two different sides on on the venue
here and if one fiber breaks there's a
high chance that the dart and cl is
still active on on the remaining leg
there are some Dart and CLS where this
wasn't feasible in in the planning stage
so they are single homed to to one of
our car s sites but it's still the best
we could do and yeah and those are the
ones where the fiber has been damaged of
course of course yeah so um just again
for for those for those viewers um who
who have never been to such an event and
are still confused so um the the the
plastic toilet has a switch in it um and
people then come up with a with a with a
regular uh cable and say I want I want I
want I want a 10 gig of one gig
connection to my tent y um how does this
do they do they just open the toilet or
or or what's the process so um so
actually they you unroll a cable and
leave some slack for us to connect it
well actually our great knock help desk
volunteers are are angels are going
round with a big round so they they walk
around the whole site and connect the
cables uh over time so so you leave your
cable and they will come around unlock
plug it in and move on to the next one
uh and then and then the same in Reverse
I think to the end of the event right
and you mention mentioned you mentioned
earlier that this year the big the big
change or one of the changes um uh is
that you're only allowing unshielded um
unshielded cables for the potential uh
differential yeah well what some people
also do is they use a long shielded
cable uh where the shield is only
connected on one end and then have like
a meter unshielded pck tail in the dart
and cl to to get rid of that problem but
still have the benefit of a of a
shielded cable on the long run which is
beneficial for 10 gig uh which we do
offer in these Dart and Claw here so you
can get so I can 10 10 gig to the tent
which I can't get at home which is nice
Yes actually nearly every port in those
D closes is 10 10 gig capable now 10 gig
copper the support in people's laptops
or so on is not so great but it it is
available yes yeah and also it's it's
the same band with up and down so we
don't do like one gig down and 100 mag
up or 10 gig down and 10 mag up so no
it's you're doing proper internet yeah
and and and if I if I connect my laptop
to to the to the cable is that directly
connected to the internet or do I still
have some some some firewall or some
some nothing in between or only on the
Wi-Fi on the Wi-Fi we offer firewall
connectivity because um on the internet
there's a lot of Port scanning going on
and this uh is not good to have all
these like probing packets on the Wi-Fi
and also for the battery life of your
smartphone if it's gets constantly
hammered with Port scans it will quite
uh rapidly decrease so the default on
the Wi-Fi is to only allow connection
from the campsite but not from the
internet but you can choose uh if you'd
like to accept that uh on on your laptop
or even on your phone but all the cabled
connectivity is the bare internet
without any filtering anything so I I I
should I I should Harden my laptop
before I connect it to that cable well
you should always Cen your laptop before
it connected any table but especially
here yes it's it's it's it's different
from at home it's the raw stuff yes yeah
yeah you already mentioned uh Wi-Fi I
mean everything is Wireless these days
of course um so you have an access point
with on on on every D claw um yeah how
how many so we have actually 146 live
right now uh what actually happens is
you'll notice that's more than the
number of dot cloes we have deployed and
what we actually do is we start every D
CL has an AP that's the thing on the
pole that sticks out the top that people
will see um and uh then we we deploy
like fill access points like maybe in
villages or in at Heaven yeah exactly in
the bigger tents and so on and and one
of the things is we actually keep on
building this during the event it's it's
like a people report poor coverage in an
area and then we go oh hey let's fix
that and then we keep on doing this
until maybe halfway through the event
and then it's becomes pointless and and
you mentioned the exess points are on on
top of the darten claw and then there is
also um a large lead tube a colorful
lead tube on on top of that what is that
about I mean a lot of people ask me what
is what what is this thing doing on on
on top of the D go apart from looking
very nice has has that a functionality
yes yeah um I think they've been with us
since om
2013 uh they are basically receiving DMX
or artnet data via Ethernet uh showing
the animation so if the animation stops
working uh it will switch to a dim light
so you know that the internet or the
ethernet is down in this Dart and cl if
the power is down obviously it will be
it will be dark but if the power is
there but only the network is down and
has an issue uh then it will be a dim
light we've always while kind of playing
with the animations so during the day we
currently have a flame on in the night
it was a more dim or red or green flame
in between we have had some green with a
pink uh stars in it so kind of sparkling
Stars which is a less Vis or not less
lus animation but it's kind of the color
scheme of the camp just quite nice so
animation can change but as long as it's
blinking it's it's fine so do you have
an do you have one of your angels on top
of the of the of the hill to watch out
if if all the if all the dart and
clothes are online if all the lights are
blinking or do you have a more sophistic
at a solution to monitor these things
yeah we we have some monitoring and one
of the big changes we made this year was
um some implementing some things from
other camps uh a lot of people would
have looked at the map um the new new
map uh uh this year and actually we have
all the Darden CL on the map and the
icon changes color uh when the when the
uh when the when the uh devices are
deployed the D and cl is live it goes
green if it then um uh fails for
whatever reason it goes red which is
pretty nice actually because uh often
there's a local power outage or
something like that so uh we can we can
report it and and people can also or a
train running over your fiber exactly
yeah exactly yeah right um so so that's
how the internet gets to the to the um
to the tents and to the to the Wi-Fi
devices um what what about the services
that we offer we we offer like wikis and
and and stuff like that is that all is
that all running through that um 20 and
10 gig uh internet connection or a lot
of the the we we're very keen on the
stuff that is necessary for the
operation of the network um this
actually processes sensitive personal
data things like your Mac address your
IP address and we like to collect as
little data as possible and it to not
leave the site so um we have the the
servers you know that maybe say your DNS
resolver and this kind of thing and uh
they're they're actually all wiped uh
securely wiped before they leave the
site uh so it's important for us that
those Services which are essential on
the camp are are hosted locally and we
have a data center container for this
and um and then also we're hosting uh
other servers for some other teams which
are good to have on site for instance
like the the FC uh for video streaming
and a few other teams as well and do do
you also provide like some sort of
collocation or if some if people bring
bring their own servers no not not here
it's too expensive uh you know because
of the electricity source and the fact
it's rather warm here and uh um we can
really only provide this for like
essential uses and even then it's quite
a bit of effort and cost to provide this
I think I've seen it's it's like one
container with the blinking light yeah
so so we started in 2019 we were like
why why hide this away let's let's
actually make it nice for people to look
at so now you can go and look in the
window and peer in and I can see from
the fingerprints on the window quite
people are people are looking in there
so maybe we should get a window cleaning
a
and of course it's locked up because
otherwise people would would improve the
the situation yes and we need to keep
the door shut because it's it needs to
have air conditioning and and so on in
there and and and also also the other
teams depend on their services uh being
up and not being well fiddled around
with uh event phone is hosting in there
the video streaming and recording is
running in there the GSM team has their
wreck in in the Colo and that's
basically it it's it's us and the three
others so we yeah only provide that
service on to a very close user group
but since everyone can uh can have 10
gig at that tent uh it also lower the
need of a like YOLO col as we had on on
the congresses earlier we even manage to
get a a second data center site this
time so we can have a bit of redundancy
most of the services are single home in
the container but some of the stuff like
the Wi-Fi controller the uping the
routing is also uh mirrored to a second
side to minimize the outage if if
something breaks I mean the biggest the
biggest the biggest um um enemy of of
network is always those big big yellow
heavy machines that either dig through
the cables or unlock the container over
so having some redundancy is always nice
right at least the big yellow machines
having on site here are really friendly
to our Network yeah so we didn't have
incident with these so they behaved so
far mostly it's actually people uh um we
have power outages when it rains a lot
and someone's left a connector like in a
in a puddle somewhere and then we cannot
provide Network without a without power
um but we're working pretty closely with
The Power Team here who are great and uh
so so you know we can we we're making
sure that yeah that is all working well
I have heard of quite a few demands of
of delivering power over over Wi-Fi so
if it could work on that that would be
awesome right and of course um mean we
have seen it at other events in the in
the infrastructure review you also have
a dashboard where you collect all the
data and the traffic data and and and
numbers Galore right yes everyone yes
yes everyone loves these these numbers
and so on I mean we're we're at over uh
6,000 Wi-Fi clients right now um and uh
89 switches yeah 89 switches deployed so
that's a good amount of hardware and a
good number of users um there there's
also good Mobile coverage for people who
do not want to use the network here now
with a uh uh Telco putting a m here but
um yeah really yeah lots of people
you're not you're not controlling their
Mas right it's no no but it's but it's
uh um it's uh it provides some
Alternatives yeah but but most people
know need the network yeah yeah well
with art Network it's it's not much fun
running around here access to the map
and everything and increasingly you know
all the other teams they've discovered
they can use computers to manage things
and therefore they need internet as well
I mean uh there even say the power team
have a QR code you can scan to report
issues and and there's there's lots of
this uh um ever more dependent on the
network uh for so many other services
that are provided for the for for some
reason the video operating system uh
video Operating Center is still planning
all these shows uh on the on the
container walls in so we we will we will
we will have to convert them sometimes
this way actually works all most of our
knock planning that's on site when we
have small jobs and so on we have a big
can band board with post notes and it's
very satisfying you take a ticket you
move it from needs doing to in progress
and you come back and you put it on the
it's done now and and now we have a
whole wall of stickers that are
done uh talking about done um we already
touched on the topic of build up uh tear
down so that one thing is um laying the
cables digging up uh trenches or
whatever to to lay the
cables what about the software
infrastructure is that is that also
someone sitting and installing operating
systems and and stuff all kind of yeah
most of the stuff is reused between the
events so there's a big share of people
in the internet manufacturer also doing
that on like the MCH last year in the
Netherlands and likely again at the next
Dutch Camp uh in
2025 and also on EMF Camp there's Big
Share even will has his nice t-shirt
on so yeah we advertising all we try to
reuse as much as possible of the of the
stuff so there's quite a lot of
automation going on uh with with event
infra which is uh located in the
Netherlands and run by volunteers also
from from the noock yeah so a lot of
staging is going on there then more
staging is going on here in a in an
automated process and we now even have
it automated so far since at least
2019 and I think it started a bit before
that also Port changes is to have a port
in a different Vance are handled
automatically so every switch is getting
a new configuration every 15 minutes so
when the the pock or the event phone
people come around and ask for New Port
for a deck station or if another OC
needs something they have a guas or they
have access to our net box where all the
configuration is stored can do the
change and 50 minute later it's it's
deployed self-service really that's what
we need because it's too large to have a
human another human in the loop so so
like it's different to like the setup in
the most of Corporations where you need
to fill in a sap form and then run
through 20 iterations and three months
later you get the port opening no no
there is no there is no three months
later right we don't have a change
Advisory Board every 14 days yeah no
right but also most of the teams are in
a fairly similar uh constellation every
event so we know each other fairly well
they know how we roll we know how they
roll so that's yeah that's good for both
of both sides so so you're using the
knowledge between the different events
or friendly events or whatever you want
to call them um and also I think the the
hardware and the network uh ranges Etc
that's also shared between the events
because I I noticed sometimes U when I'm
here I'm still located in Amsterdam or
near Amsterdam where MCH was so this
geolocation really breaks with with
these kind of events yeah yeah mostly
it's actually due to the access point uh
cuz the access points move around and
and they go to lot of events actually
and so you see that and sometimes it's
due to the IP addressing as well but yes
yes we do we don't have a set of
hardware and not use it uh it's used by
lots of other not for-profit events
around Europe yeah also event infra
which is lending all this equipment is a
nonprofit uh in the Netherlands working
with cccv and all the other events so
the the events can borrow the hardware
for from event infra uh in return to a
well I would say competitive price but
it's it's really well good for for the
events because it's it's from the
community for the community so uh some
events depending on what they do donate
more money other donate Hardware which
is also uh fine so there's a increasing
big pool of of switches of Wi-Fi access
points so I think most if not even all
of the stuff we use this time is coming
from event infro so if if some nonprofit
event needs some sort of network
infrastructure reach out and and we will
see and you will see what you can do and
and what the Yeah there there's a lot of
teams lot of lot of organizations using
this and and and you have to build the
network yourself um or find some people
to do that but um uh it's not a full
service operation
but Hardware also if if a for-profit
wants to get rid of some Hardware which
is still good to use so some data
centers tend to kick out their old boxes
after 5 years which is not that long uh
in in our terms uh you can reach out to
us or event infer to get to donate the
hardware that's how we were able to
offer 10 gig 10 gig copper to all all
the areas because an organization was
clearing out the data center and we said
thank you very much and took 60 odd
switches and and otherwise they would
probably have to pay for to get those uh
to get them uh uh disposed properly
right yeah
yeah okay I I think we touched on most
of points of the points um in in the
event like EMF camp or MCH or the the
Dutch the next Dutch camp or CCC camp um
are you already is is your team filled
up do you still are you still looking
for for volunteers during buildup or
tear down or is it is it is it is it too
too fragile or too do you need so much
inside info that it doesn't make sense
to offer you help um how is always
during tear down every team wants help
during tear down um and uh um because
there's just so much infrastructure that
we need to roll up and and put away um
but we do have a quite well organized
system for this because we know we have
databases and things with all the bits
of equipment in so um we so it's not
just randomly done but um people can
come and help us yeah please don't go to
the D and Claw and and just tear down
tear down Point come to the knock and
and ask what task you could yeah we have
checklist to collect all the items and
make sure and then we we know and
everything is also wiped before it's
both both in terms of its storage and uh
physical surface which can get quite
Dusty um before it's you know packaged
and sent back um so since most of our
work is before and long before the event
uh there are always some well friendly
people who approach us on like day minus
one or day Zero and want to help us but
uh this time the network was finished
building up everything on day minus one
so we had to send them away because
there was no work to do on these day but
on on early build up or then the tear
down there's always more help to do and
we always or we had lot of angels again
this time to help out uh help out during
the setup so we buil teams with i' would
say one experienced member of the noock
and one or two more Angels uh and this
work really well yes it has to be there
there's a there you have to have some
experience with plugging in fibers and
so on and and all this work is physical
during buildup we're not like sitting at
our desks like configuring things
because yeah we have a computer for
that yeah it's it's it's running around
the field it's driving around the field
and and and it's a lot a lot of more
manual work than you would would like to
think but many of us have desk jobs and
so it's great fun to come in the field
and do that uh and it's and after the
first St the the whole body complains
probably right that's what ibuprofen is
for yeah yeah many of us are also
working in the industries and the
colleagues are always caring asking so
why are you on vacation and why are you
doing the basically the same thing in
your vacation time but it's it's not
really the same thing and it's with
different people so all of us are doing
that because we really want to do that
and this is a whole other team
experience than getting paid to do that
yeah yeah you learn a lot in both
Technical and and like transferable
skills by by coming and volunteering
really for many of the teams here I
think absolutely I can totally attest to
that
um I have one last question uh we didn't
touch on this when we talked about the
doton clo I have to Circle back a little
bit um as you as you said as as you said
in your explanation these are plastic
toilets they look like plastic toilets
they are print the print on them says
it's a toilet um do people use them as a
toilets oh yeah yeah unfortunately what
happens is a big pile arrive in a field
old and maybe we don't get there to log
them early enough and someone maybe also
really needs to go so they um have a
yeah an accident so unfortunately every
time there's always one that's um uh
quarantined off and left for uh yeah
proper disposal yes exactly yes but yes
this time the number was fairly low I
think we calculated with five spare
darten clothes and only needed two of
them so that that's good yeah yeah and
and hopefully shows like this will get
out the work so maybe we can get the
number down yeah accidents happen and
and the major thing for ordinary users
out there to know about most of our
infrastructure is like we we we don't
know we can't know it's broken sometimes
if unless you tell us and um and but we
will come and and fix it you know if
there's a problem yeah oh any any any
last words on from you on on KN did we
did we miss something any any important
topics you want to get out um messages
there's a few things that people if they
want to know more they can go go and
look in the entrance of the DC of the
data center which is near the the
infodesk um there's quite a lot of
information on online we now fq as well
if you're still having some trouble um
and the knel desk will also help you
with this with the service is there
unshielded cable at the knockel
desk I got that question quite often so
I think the Spy is selling ethernet
cables yeah oh okay yeah so yeah they
have they have some cable maybe even
some cable left I'm not I'm not sure but
they had some we do ask people to bring
their own cables because we can't
provide for uh 6,000 users but who reads
documentation before the event right
yeah yeah well we do write it
but no no no I'm not blaming you I'm
just I'm just asking so any anything
else we we didn't touch on anything else
you want to talk touch I think that's
that's most of it yeah we could go on
for hours yes I'm not going into
technical details or or Tech porn that's
uh a lot of the stuff when we want to
explain it is like you need a diagram
and some actual like slides and things
like that and that's more in depth and
to be honest we've covered that a lot in
previous review presentations and things
like that which are all on media.ccc.de
so and and you're doing an
infrastructure review as well for this
event right oh oh we better write that
then yeah we should start preparing one
yeah some funny photos going to be quite
short I like 3 to 5 minutes so yeah well
probably just some funny photos yeah
most of the stuff is still like valid
from NC
review so we could just share the link
yes yeah adjust the data
and all right well thank you very much
will H nikot thanks for for joining us
in the studio thanks for this was
another episode of ask the teams this
time with the network Operating Center
have a great day and hopefully see you
really soon in another episode cheers
and
bye-bye
d