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Hello and welcome to CBS
Late Night.
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almost 11.
And my name is, look, I am the
communications officer here at Seabass,
and if you've watched the
pipeline closely, you might have
noticed that someone else
should have been in my place today.
So Dimitry Klein, I should have
been here.
He became ill a few days ago and
couldn't be here, so I'm
standing in for him right now.
Dimitry, if you're watching this, get
well soon.
Today's topic here at CBS Late Night
is device control as a
fetish.
And my guest today is
a real life virtual tech dom.
Please welcome with me
the queen of device and phone control
goddess Anissa.
Thank you for being here with us.
This is your first public
appearance, as I hear.
Yeah, thanks for being with us here
at CBS Late Night.
Thanks for having me.
So I'm thinking
the question that most people have out
there is what does a tech dome
do actually?
I was wondering if the name
explains itself a bit.
Basically, I dominate
men through their devices.
I mean, the profession of
a dominatrix is not you
device control.
It's a quite new fetish.
I say it developed it started
in California in 2013.
And, yeah, so basically,
I get paid for breaking into
devices as computers,
phones, home networks.
Social media accounts, even
basically the the more
the technology develops, more
opportunities
for tech, kinky play.
Yeah. Can you like, can
you tell us a bit what typical
things you
do to your subs?
Oh, it's really hard to say what's
typical because the variety is
endless. And I was and
you know, whenever I think it's starting
to repeat, there's something you coming.
But there are some even I mean, it's
a super niche fetish we are talking
about. But even within that super
super niche are some trends,
such as TeamViewer, for example.
So some people get aroused when they
even hear or read the word TeamViewer
because they are thinking of tech
domination or when they don't know much
about it and they're looking for it on
the internet.
They are not looking at Google, but
they will search on Twitter and
they will search for TeamViewer device
control tech dominatrix.
And I often ask myself, Well, maybe I
should ask TeamViewer directly if they
are aware of their fame and,
yeah, certain target groups.
So can you like?
Like, can you walk us through like some
of the things that you do
during a session, like maybe like
talking from like a pink in the
perspective of someone, someone who
first contacts you
online so people come to you online
and ask you to do these things to you?
So what do you usually like do
right?
I mean, the very first thing that I do
is talk about what
they like about their experience
level, what they want to experience.
Very important, what their personal
boundaries are.
I'm very suspicious of people who say
they don't have boundaries that tells
me that actually beginners and then I
still try to find it out.
So basically, we do a setting
for four for play
and I because I want
a person, of course, to I want to have a
very clear set that the person has
consented.
And in my end, after the person
has paid for this, for this to happen,
then we do what we agreed on basically.
And I mean, sometimes, of course, it
might lead to the person's really
enjoying it, and we're going to continue
it and do more stuff like,
can you get on to a little bit of the
details? What are you doing?
I'm sorry. Like, what do you think?
So I think they're doing all.
Yes, how?
If you're not, you're not sitting on
someone's computer,
you're oh, no, no, I'm from the internet
sitting. I'm sitting at my.
I'm sitting at my, at, my,
at my room.
Someone is interested in having a
TeamViewer session, and that
implies that the person has TeamViewer
or any desk on their computer.
And I have that as well.
And the first step would be that we
that we connect, and that is
already a moment of excitement.
There is someone, as you can imagine,
there is someone else on my computer, but
to most people is super frightening.
For some people, it's exciting.
My clients.
And then you go like, you go through
the browser history or
you go look into
the secret folders.
Oh, that really depends
on what we are,
what we talked about as preparation
like.
And they say, Oh, do you?
Are you going to snoop around and say,
yes, I'm going to snoop around?
And then there
are probably folders hidden in
the computer, but they're hidden in
obvious virus photos they might
find. I don't find I find hardly
anything embarrassing.
But it's photos that are supposed to be
embarrassing that I'm going to find
and comment
in a way like, Oh, look what I found
there.
So, yeah, so it
takes screenshots.
You? I do.
You lock people.
You lock people out of your their
computer.
If they if that's what
they ask for, they're going to get that.
I mean, for example, some
after you've gone.
I mean, if you like one thing, you always
want to go to the next level.
So on TeamViewer, I might set myself
my own password, go to the advanced
option and change the settings,
which still can be undone if
they are still the admin.
So I better make myself Edmond and the
computer makes some standard user,
then they can't do the TeamViewer, then
they can't change the TeamViewer usage
settings anymore.
And from there on, I have access to
the computer at any time I want,
which again, most like ninety
nine point nine percent of the people
find scary. Some people find it super hot
and.
Yeah, that's
like the do you think if you're you're
you're you're a sub like
feel like their devices are some
kind of like part of their body,
like intimate part of their?
I was asking myself that question
a lot because I mean, I certainly enjoy
what I'm doing. I think it's a great
job, but I always
know I thought, is this how?
How do they get pleasure
from something that happens to their
computer?
I could. I was like, OK, people obviously
merge with their devices.
I mean, many people have
a very attached feeling towards their
phone. And when they have misplace
that or they know they forgot it
somewhere, they experience phantom pain.
So it kind of makes sense to my
understanding, but it might also
be connected with arousal.
OK, and do you feel like you
are transgressive, two
of these people
are not I don't feel transgressive
towards these people at all like I
would if if this
would be done to a partner,
kids, employees, I would find that super
transgressive because it's going
to be used
not on.
I mean, like when an employee uses on the
employee, it's not really consensual
because what can the employee say?
You know, I don't I don't want it.
I take another job.
You know, you're in a bad situation.
So I find these
apps, like when they are used
in other contexts, then I am using them.
I find that transgressive, but I don't
find transgressive what I do because I do
consensual play among adults.
Now, how do you make sure everything
is actually consensual?
Like, how do you how do you make
absolutely sure that it's
it's always the same?
It's communication. Communication is key.
And sometimes,
I mean, we either communicate through
chat. Some even prefer to,
uh, to see me on Skype
while doing that.
So I basically
I try. I always say, OK, the next step
is going to be this. I'm going to do
that. Are you fine with that?
They might ask questions.
And that is also from what I
mean. There are some shops that have been
been with me since I started this,
and this is exactly what I really
appreciate and value that to
tell them what's going to happen and it's
exactly what's going to happen.
That is important.
Yeah. So like, it's not only my
personal
the you charge them, there's a contract.
In this case,
it's not like, I mean, like, there
is, of course, no written contract
because, you know, the guy gets
online at night.
Yes, the idea, it might be something to
try out. So the contract is
the chat where you
say, you know, let's do this and that,
and it will cost you the sense that they
pay and then you
fulfill your part of life.
But I would basically do as promised.
And yeah, yeah.
OK. Let's take a step back and
look at how how you became
what you are today.
So did you have any previous
involvement in and things like BDSM
at all?
Well, I'm definitely not an active member
of the very versatile Berlin
BDSM community, but I mean, I grew
up in Berlin.
Been living here for decades.
And the city has always been very
kinky, friendly and some people from
abroad even call it capital of
kings. And also, when they hear about my
job, they're like, Oh, this is only
possible in Berlin.
I think the nice thing about my job is
you can do it anywhere that's so great
about it.
But I mean, Berlin gives me definitely a
very open minded surroundings, so that
does feel great
when going out like
late nineties and stuff.
The kink scene was also super
present, present and.
There were
it was more like a playful context, but I
would say there is
feuds and relationships
that go far beyond
the typical clichÃ©s, what
people think, you know, like when people
hear this and they think of tiny,
tiny, tiny
rubber, rubber and leather stuff and
people beating each other up.
But I think it's also
it's also a lot about.
Communication, relationship structures,
even tech domination, so I think there's
a lot there's a lot of
a lot of other aspects that are involved
in, then the very obvious.
But do you see some and
from this point, how how did you get into
this line of work?
And what I do now?
Yeah. It really doesn't have.
I mean, it does have a bit to do
with my background because that but
the background of that openness,
for sure, because they need to be
open to do it. Otherwise, you know, if
you have like if it would
collide with mobile standards, it would
become difficult. But I actually
have a different background
of work. I.
Originally, a creative trope that I still
do and really enjoy doing,
and I've been working freelance for 20
years and everybody who's done freelance
work in Berlin.
Most people I know they had, they went
through ups and downs like, let's
say you have major clients that don't pay
all that you hang for for a few weeks,
then it can get it just can get really
awful. And there was that moment of it,
not just the moment, but there were these
moments where eBay, Klein
and Saigon that's classified
ads on Craigslist saved my
life because I have a studio and there
was always stuff to sell.
And the thing is, every woman knows that
like when you put shoes,
any piece of garment, textile, even
an exercise ball unclassified, it's
some guy is going to take to it and say,
OK, can you take a picture of
you wearing the shoes sitting on that
exercise ball? And I was almost like, Oh
no, leave me alone, I'm not going to take
your pictures.
And at that point in life, I was super
broke and someone on eBay, Clayton
saying, was actually offering me money
for taking a picture of me and old shoes.
I was like, OK, how much?
And we couldn't agree on the price.
But the conversation kept
by I was like, Wow, the people
that are really desperate for photos
of used shoes and sitting on
exercise balls.
And I saw the community of
these people must be bigger than
the community of eBay financing
people.
And I started to look in the
internet and I found
many, many platforms
and I thought, You know, OK, you know, I
will subsidize my lifestyle by selling
used items.
But that was only a very
small aspect, actually,
because what I realized very early on
it was not about the used item.
It was about the communication
and the time spent with a person
like no one on the internet buys an item
without having getting like an
idea of of.
So I learned that pretty
quick, and then I discovered
a marvelous universe
of.
ANC kings like that, I was, like, really
excited to explore, for example,
giantess faders, has everyone ever heard
about that
giant suddenly haven't giant
made this giant fetish as one
of the most?
Three years ago, it was one of the
fastest growing
niche fetishes on Pornhub.
It's basically the women is over
dimensional and
the the guy is like.
Pretty tidy, so they call themselves
Chinese, the ladies are considered
Gyan's.
And what I found really mind
boggling is it's not a fetish that you
can live in real life.
It's only
an imaginary. It's not.
It's not
a big woman with a very small man.
No, no, exactly.
It's yeah, it's a photoshop of
a very,
very tiny example.
When I had photos of when I had photos on
my Twitter and there was like a giant
fetishist.
Interestingly, many of these people
had their work in computer graphics.
I mean, it kind of makes sense because
they do, but they send you like a
nice collage they made.
So when I put a photo on and
they would send me in return because I
like the photo, a collage
where my feed looks
super huge and I'm stomping their
hometown.
Like that would just be one example.
And some people find it exciting.
OK, and then then you dug deeper
into the internet and
is there still like learning material
that you could?
I was I was really.
Yeah, I mean, I mean,
I was really looking for people to talk
about it. I mean, of course, my friends
love to hear my stories, but
it was really hard to get like
professional advice.
And I thought, Well, I'm probably not the
only one on the internet doing that.
And I was searching YouTube
and and I came across
a personality that I found super
inspiring. I know that many
of her videos are controversial to
say, to say the least, but
especially her early videos where she
explains every fetish
like where it comes from.
And if you are
an online dominatrix, how to like,
how to how to deal with it,
basically. So she she did a lot of how to
material.
And one I just started.
I was staying at home and like doing
night classes. You know, like every
evening I was going for the videos,
the YouTube university and yeah,
I did. I chose not to
use the traditional.
Yeah. You were talking about earlier.
Maybe we can show this on the screen.
So you sent me this
yesterday, and I watched like one or two
videos and like.
It's really hard to hear you like you
will probably be very offended.
I think it's her personality.
You would be really, really offended by
what she's saying just as
a if you if you want to get into this.
Yeah.
And then you learned about
this and
also, I mean, she also did she does
really good advise for
how to organize yourself and you get into
the field of work.
She she tells you how
to tell good sub's
away from bad sobs, how to
recognize abusive behavior in
communication very often.
And so she gives really good examples and
tells you how to deal with it.
And that really helped me in the
beginning because I mean, I'm pretty
confident about what I do now,
but I certainly wasn't.
Two years ago, it was trial and
error a
lot, and it was still before
the pandemic and that the pandemic will
have an impact on no.
I mean, the pandemic on
me had a very positive impact
because
because the world calmed
down, there was.
I really enjoyed the calming
down effect I had just discovered a new
interest that I wanted to spend
a lot of, but I just
wanted to give a lot of attention.
And also, I had already started in the
vegetable business, started growing
because, you know, people were sitting at
home and
looking for online things to do.
And then also in the time I
came across that field of
tech domination, I was.
I was an I was amazed, I was like,
wow, that's like incredible, and that's
like, so what was like
science fiction? And I decided I wanted
to do it even though I had like literally
no tech background.
And I also one
friend. You could hardly believe that I
wanted to do that. But I mean, in the
beginning, the substate, really, since
there is hardly the demand
is so much.
But much higher than supply.
Basically, the subs who who
have that kind of fetish, they're
absolutely willing to help.
So, um, so I
just, you know, started learning by doing
and got better and better
at it over the time.
Yeah.
Um, so what parts of
the world do your subs
come from?
I'm.
But yeah, I mean, I think to
answer the question, it's best to
visualize to visualize it.
And I have homework
and research sub who prepared
a map for me that we could maybe
maybe show on screen.
So basically, where you have
a bigger, bigger a bubble, do you have a
higher density and so on?
So you notice that there is like a center
in Central Europe now
in Germany. In the beginning, it was more
in the U.S.
like Austin, Texas was Big Tech
scene, but also New York and California,
but also Colorado and Missouri.
Some in Canada,
even Australia,
Taiwan, Malaysia.
Neighboring countries in the EU.
So it's pretty international.
Yeah.
And what kinds of
like backgrounds
and what's what's what's like the age
of yours? It's it's
it's a
huge age group.
It's the I'd say it starts in the early
20s and
it goes up to like mid
60s.
Yeah.
And what kind of backgrounds,
what kind of backgrounds?
I mean, some in their 20s are students.
Others there are some that are
truck drivers.
Others work in medicine
and retired.
Retired state
officials, people who were even people
who work in cyber security among MOSOP
community, it's very
versatile.
Yes, that is one of the things that
surprised me a lot, that there are people
out there like work in cybersecurity
and in that day time they
work at preventing all these things
and then for fun.
Yeah. But like,
I think too, I think, but
I think I think this is how fetishes
develop actually right?
The bigger the taboo, the
the higher the desire.
I, you know, that would be pretty cliche
psychology, but I think.
Yeah.
OK, now let's get into the
the details, the technical details
was probably most of our audience is
very interested in is
what kind of software do
you use and what's your experience?
I mean, I mainly use the software
that just maybe not the best option,
but that is most well known.
Among the subs, like TeamViewer
already has a cult status in that scene.
I personally but also any desk which I
prefer over TeamViewer,
so I use these softwares as remote
control to connect to a phone
or computer.
And once they
are the next, the next step
might be depending what they agreed on
a parental control.
There are different,
a lot of different one leg studio and.
Paul is the kids dogs,
and so I said is the one that I
personally like because there's one
account you can
control two devices,
which would mean, for example, if sub
has phone and computer, you
could control, you could
control phone and computer.
It's a screen time and so on.
What I also, I mean, some are also that
a recent trend, which was which wasn't
that massive of a trend when I started,
is keyloggers are becoming
popular.
Like, Oh, God, is do you install
keyloggers on
and off?
Yeah, I mean, when agreed
on it, I do install keyloggers as well.
Yeah. And when we talked before, you also
told me about like software
that actually.
Give like frightened to
you.
Yeah, exactly, because
I thought, OK, I work in that field, I
have to keep up with technologies and
always looking on Twitter what other
ladies do, and some are very
inspiring.
And then I noticed, Oh my god, this.
So can you use a spy
software? It looked really scary.
It's a group that either called and spy
or flexi spy, and
they, I mean, they can be
bought in EPS stores.
And I was.
Very surprised to see how far
they go. I think it must be like
the Pegasus software, but only for users
as the market version, because basically
when you install it on the phone,
you have total surveillance.
You can record any surrounding
noise, you can use the bank and the phone
camera.
You can listen to every phone call
and you can read all the text.
So.
I read all of us, while we know
that goes very far.
I posted on Twitter that I'm looking for
a guinea pig for something new.
And of course, there was a line of people
queuing up who wanted to do it
immediately.
And I think if people
want to play with that kind of stuff, OK,
but what frightens me is that
this kind of software is targeted,
targeted at parents and employers.
Mm-Hmm.
Yeah. Suddenly, you know something
I wouldn't want to do.
No, absolutely.
Definitely. Yeah.
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more questions, we'll we'll
get to those later.
And by the way, have you tried any a
free or open source software?
And I would be totally open
to it, but I have
been like in preparation for
this talk. I was looking at how many
computers I've been on.
And it was like a bit more than 400
in just two of these.
I remember when Linux computer.
So for some reason, the Linux
computer isn't with the
Linux community.
It's not that much into it fetish,
but surprise.
But I even but I had to.
I had to.
I had to. I had two users with
Linux computers and I found them
a free, open source
control, which is called
normal, and you can only need one.
So if there is free software and
this is how the Linux computer, I am
absolutely open for using it.
But so
also, do you use any kind
of like specialized hardware?
Are all
there? Yes, I mean,
specialized hardware.
I mean, I'm just thinking about like
when you call an item hardware, because
into I mean interesting, it is
when you look at the fetishes that are
related to device control, right?
There is a chastity fetish.
I don't know if anyone has ever heard
about a chastity means
basically putting your dick in a cage,
Google or DuckDuckGo,
chastity cage and Marvel.
It's a variety of items which are
made either of plastic or steel.
And like in the old fashioned
way, would be that you put it on takes
a key. You might mail it to my
post books, but you might also meet a
mistress and give it to her in person
and then you decide to live in chastity
for I don't know how long, you know,
beginners and people find the time.
Some people find it hard for eight hours.
Some people live in chastity for month.
And of course, sometimes the dorms
are far away.
And wouldn't it make sense to have a.
You have a remote
remote control just cage.
So a few years ago, there was development
off of a device called
Cell Mate.
So, mate, it's like
it's like a cage that can be controlled
via EPP.
Mm-Hmm. And people wouldn't have
heard about it if the
cellmate didn't get
hacked. So there were people wearing that
the chastity device.
And.
You know, yeah, and it got hacked
and they got basically blackmailed,
not only the awkward situation of being
in that cage.
They also got hacked into
and hackers blackmailed them.
And it was it was quite
a big thing in the news and.
Because obviously, the support of the
company wasn't available
for a for a certain amount of time.
And as we have imagine, that frightened
it, frightened people out.
We have a screenshot of an article
describing this device
here.
Maybe we can show this.
I'm also hearing that we have some
some technical difficulties, maybe
as as the stream working.
Oh OK.
So yeah, so this is this
is one of the devices.
Yeah, that does
tell me that we're talking about.
I mean, it looks very technical.
Probably from just looking at it, it's
really hard to figure out what it's
about. Yeah, it's it's like a cage.
Yeah.
Big Bird of Kings.
You also you also
order cameras for people.
Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, we didn't talk
about the opportunities of home
surveillance yet. I mean, some people are
like when you started this device
controlling, they might they might
want to expand the feathers and
a hands. And you know,
I normally I choose and order them.
Cameras like one or two per room
and then they put them up in the room
and then I make them buy a safe.
And which, of course, is remotely
controlled via app.
And then I make them put the car keys
in the remotely controlled
safe so they can only use the car
by permission.
And also, like when I have when
I have access to the home network,
I change the TV program.
If I don't like it.
I put on the music that
I once told
us not to sleep in his bed
and rather on the floor or pick up the
dirty socks.
So basically what
you do is to give.
I mean, obviously people, instead
of being controlled or
surveyed by anonymous
power, rather prefer
a person doing so like, OK,
this is like, you know, picking.
Yeah.
Um, so I think
I think we're done with the with the
questions that we have prepared
and
maybe we we start getting,
we start getting
questions
from from the internet of I think.
But just one question that that
just came to mind is, do
you like, do you like your clients?
Do you do most like do the most of them
like ever? See your face everything
over chat? Or do you,
you talk to them or to you?
It depends on
the level.
I mean, for a team viewer, they don't
need to see my face.
But some some
I mean, some, for example, are
have a foot fetish.
And instead of seeing face, I like to see
feet while doing TeamViewer.
But it's all it is.
It is possible
what I would normally do that
for someone that I
get, you know, like normally the first
one or two sessions, I wouldn't I
would just watch it and then see
how things evolve.
OK, so I'm getting the first questions
here.
Yeah, we touched on this like
in the beginning, just a little bit.
But the question is, did you have any
legal issues at
doing this?
What what ways do you do?
What what ways
do you protect against legal issues?
And yes, there are
records that you keep.
I know that I could be better at
keeping records and thank you for
reminding that I need to improve on that,
but of course, I mean, I do have
the charts where
where I wear.
You know, it's like a list of what we are
going to do and what the person is paying
for, which is like basically a contract
only that a check is not really a
contract, but nevertheless it's there.
But in the beginning, when I started,
I was worried about that a lot.
I was like, Oh my God. And because it did
happen, it did happen that I upset
people and they got angry.
And then I thought, Well, what are they
going to do? They go to the local police
officer and tell them, you know, some
internet dominatrix, which which
would mean that they talk openly about
the weirdest king said no.
One.
Which is to most people, hard to
understand.
So I just figured, you know,
well, relax about it because it's
very unlikely.
It's just very unlikely.
And I mean, luckily, I've been living
in Berlin all my life.
And if I probably
need legal help, I would
somehow get it. So I'm not.
I stopped. I had that.
I had these concerns.
These thoughts a lot in the beginning,
but I thought the one thing is
it's more important for me to learn
communication strategies like what
to do if someone is really annoyed, you
know, to like, wait
until that moment is over.
Find out what's behind it and so on.
So. Because basically it's more about
like learning de-escalation techniques.
There's also like the question about
clients work machines
that might have access to like
business secrets, trade secrets.
Yeah, I mean, um.
From what I what I
saw, it was the private computers,
and I mean.
I would say that
I do have access sometimes
to information that I shouldn't have.
But I simply don't touch
it, though, because.
Because it's just not part of it.
And I think if someone
once a computer take over and he uses
the machine for work, I mean,
yeah, like what can he?
I mean, you know, like
I think when I see that that there
is work files, I'm I
would definitely mention it and say, you
know, are you sure about this and how
should we deal with it?
And but people who are super sensitive
work, they have definitely
more than one computer at home, and they
use one for play and one for work.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I think good hygiene.
Yeah.
If you if yeah, if you if you're into
this, um.
Yeah. Um,
there's a question here about like
issues that having access to
data that involves like third
parties.
So I don't know what if what if
yourselves have a family and
you record their family on the cameras
and things like that?
Yeah, but I wouldn't. I mean, how would I
record the family on the camera?
I would, you know?
Oh, you mean, don't you know, like
on camera?
But I mean, the thing is with the cat?
I get it.
But the thing is the people.
What I know just from my experience, the
people who do that with the cameras are
definitely subs that live on
their own. Mm hmm.
So it's never
I've never had the case with third
party involved, and I would definitely
find that personally
a no go.
Unless the whole family agreed, which if
even if they couldn't evict.
So it was not a situation that
never happened.
But thank you for raising awareness
in case the CFMEU.
Yeah, there are more like questions
about like your types of
types of SOPs and types of customers.
And yeah, your
customer. Are you a customers, mainly
nerds or HECO as they usually more
casual everyday type work?
I think my subs are.
Of course there is.
I don't. I wouldn't say there's hardly.
I mean, no, it's like when
when does someone start being a nerd?
I know this like one is this
PhD student in mathematics?
Is he already on notice?
Definitely super smart.
And I must say that I enjoy the smart
subs more than the less the less
smarter ones. But um,
but we've talked about this before.
There is there's truck driver, but
this truck driver is also and truck
drivers, by the way, can also be pretty
smart and funny.
And so, yeah.
And also there's a question about like,
what's the operating
OS preference?
I think we've touched on that quite a
mate, mainly Windows computers.
TeamViewer on Windows.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, it's um, it's mainly windows.
Yeah.
Have you ever?
Uh, did you ever
get foods
that you like?
Someone
didn't give you access to like the real
machine, but like virtual
machine or no? What actually happens is
like when you I mean, maybe some females
watching and then like, that sounds
pretty cool. That something I all because
I'm sure there are many women out there
who have way more technology already, so
go for it.
But the thing is, the problem in the book
when you start out is that people try to
get you on the computer for free, like
they don't want you to pay for it.
So the biggest, the important, the very
important technique is
make the deal before you actually connect
because just I mean, some guys also
get off on on cheating
on you. So basically, when they manage to
get you on the computer and they didn't
pay, they're all very excited enough.
So.
That is so
wonderful to see
you both getting getting like making
sure that you're getting paid.
I mean, because people try to trick you
too like too like they try to manipulate
you in every possible way to look
at not everyone. But you know, some do.
And the longer the longer you are there,
the people start to like when
they see that the person is established,
the people who fool you, they
they are, they are after the beginning.
So in the beginning, you put up with this
and when you learn the techniques, how to
separate the good ones.
But then it kind
of works, but it takes
time and then you learn it.
So is a little bit more about the
technical challenges.
Did you ever have to do something like
actual hacking?
When does the actual hacking start?
I mean, like the guy from, I mean, if
the guy gives you the password to his
computer on?
Or for you for his remote control
software.
I wouldn't say that would be hacking.
Nobody, nobody wanted ever wanted you to
actually like, hack into their computers
like.
On, I think the thing
is, the thing is, if I had the skills,
they'd love it, you know, so so
basically.
Yeah, so that would definitely be worth
learning, OK, because they'd love it.
So if you have if you know
I'm telling you, I'm
telling you this, yeah, I know, like it's
exactly in my profession, it would.
So I mean, I do.
I mean, the good thing is that when you
do it through the remote control,
the like ways and you kind of
in case of legal trouble and you have
that agreement process, but actually.
This hubs would find it super hot,
did anyone ever ask you to
damage their technology
in a way that it couldn't be recovered?
Well, yeah, the thing is, I mean, when
somebody asked me to install Keylogger,
what is he asking for?
You know, you can take the damage pretty
far.
And yeah, but
I think the question is more about like
actually breaking things.
Someone never like to.
Can you? Well, the thing is, I mean,
people like sometimes you
play the limitation games when you
put out the parental control and you
reduce the time.
But that is still that is still I mean,
the computer is still running late.
So it's more about,
you know, like doing like
making it the net tighter and tighter and
more uncomfortable.
So no less internet sites
that you can use, the less time you have
on your computer and so on.
So it's about.
We waiting constrained restriction,
digital bondage, so kind of so and then
we are again, it's a question
is the revelation from computer anybody?
Yeah.
Did you ever use any smart
home devices like,
well, home cameras
we definitely talked about?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. A desk and
curtains, heaters.
Like, Oh no, I haven't had curtains and
heaters. I have.
No, I haven't had those one yet.
But thank you for inspiring questions.
I mean, I look because whenever I have an
idea of what could be done if
I'm just going to look for, you know,
but I do.
I mean, home network like TV, TV
and music, of course.
Or sometimes, you know, print, use
someone's printer and print out something
that
makes the question is pretty hilarious.
Have you ever considered creating Alexa
skill that allows Alexa to give
commands to your
questions?
And of course, I haven't thought of it,
but you would.
Yeah.
But I do thank you for the Stranger
Things. Yes.
Awesome question.
Yeah. Um.
So.
Here's here's here's a question I don't
know if you want to answer this online.
Just open the.
Yeah, yeah, it's
a it's about like payment.
Are you paid by the hour or by session?
I'm happy to answer that, basically.
You kind of press person,
you know, and then I tell you, the thing
is, I'm not a super techie nerd.
So sometimes things take longer than
expected or the computer looks different.
And so I normally make
a certain price.
But when I make, I also do
custom videos. And then of course, I
charge.
It depends on what I do, basically.
So there are packages, but there's
also minutes for stuff from
now.
And to do some clients ask
you for some kind of role playing?
Sure. So someone, someone on the internet
is wondering what kind of role play
scenarios? You could do this with the set
up.
I mean, there's
just so many world places like, of
course, that is like the classical.
Having kids situation that
you play, the strict mommy
or the teachers and often the fetishists
combined with people have like
tasks. I mean, I have
research and workshops because many subs
are into tasks they want.
It's like, I want something to do in my
life. And since I'm always like this,
I have so much stuff to do.
Always, I'm like, OK, I give
you a task, make them up.
Or there was some guy in Australia.
He was really into long
writing task, and I would think, Well,
I'm not an English teacher.
I don't feel sufficient to
my English is sufficient to actually
write it. But since he was
quite old, I made him write
four pages about every year he lived in.
So that was big writing task.
So a lot of creativity is necessary
to come up with tasks and.
You know.
Next question we actually,
uh, answered
before the beginning of the
the talk, just
to try to answer that one.
How did you come across the fetish, how
you mentioned? It's very niche.
Yeah. So basically
you got you got from like, so
you were broke.
You want to sell stuff on
eBay classifieds?
Exactly. You got messages from
people and you had
it making money by posting
your your videos of shoes.
And yeah, that's what I started.
And then the giantess content.
Yeah, content and also like, OK,
whatever, I was really getting
into fine finishes,
sneeze and explore it like that
was definitely the aspect that I enjoyed.
And when I came across a technology
that I was just super fascinated and
wanted to learn about it.
OK, next question is obviously from
like a front from
an expert here.
I've got the feeling this fetish is
declining. Five years ago,
lots of people on Pop and Dot D
were given access to this systems.
Now it's as common.
Now it's not as common anymore.
Can you confirm that it's losing
popularity?
No, I can't confirm because since
I started, it's growing
in. Maybe like it was the community
that he mentioned.
Maybe the head like a Ford
2.4A, you know, like that
was like a spike.
But since I mean, what is happening
right now is that the people actually
have less human interaction.
The families are getting smaller.
The the communities that
people interact are very small,
like one
child is brought up by a single mother.
The single mother works.
The people in the internet become
more important and real life person.
My my inspiring
revenge, the Persephone, she
minced the phrase.
Have our social relationships, which I
think many people have with me because
they tell me things that they can't tell
anyone else.
And what I never kink.
Shame anyone for whatever the fantasy is,
so I don't see my life.
I don't see that niche declining at all.
I see it growing.
And maybe it's changing.
It's adjusting because when the
technology evolves, the play
will change.
But I would say it's
steep.
It's going up.
Yeah, yeah.
How is the gender distribution
among my thumb among your
yeah.
Well, there are some, but of
course it's mainly male.
There are some I had.
I had some transgender people.
Like, I was accompanying them
through in their face when they were
going, I don't know the proper English
term, but basically when you go through
that phase of changing, which is quite
long.
Women are very rare.
I had thought twice.
Yeah, so.
I would say 98.
Male one, transgender
or other.
Hmm. I'm sorry if I use the wrong
terms.
Um yeah, but predominantly male.
Yeah, but what?
Also transgender and one
percent.
Female, OK.
Is there any kind of
online platform where
the DOMS share their experiences?
Twitter is very important for that
and and also
it used to be avian, but avian is
going start avian.
They're going to monetize towards
the end of the year, which I find really
annoying. So basically a community
where you find many, don't there also
interact.
The first I was when I was a
beginner and I was looking at different
rooms and sites.
I found it quite interesting to
see like the front side.
Mm-Hmm. Like the customer's view
of like, what's Adam's posting?
And then they had like dumb chat rooms
where they were talking about, I don't
know, exchanging recipes and stuff.
So you know, it's, you
know, so but I mean, I do.
I do I.
So but basically, like every stuff
on the internet, you find your crowd.
So there are some lady
storms that I find very
inspiring. They do amazing work,
they do speeches, they do research that
they publish and and give good advice.
And that is definitely important.
Yeah, because of my immediate
surroundings, I have no colleagues, as
you can imagine. Mm-Hmm.
Um, so I think
one last question is,
what are you doing to protect
your customers, like if you got
hacked, um, someone
would have have access to.
All these
all these lives, like what is
the thing is I don't I don't store
the information on the subs.
You know, I have access, but
I don't store it.
So if someone hacks
my computer that I use for
all that kind of scenario, there's hardly
anything I mean what I would find.
But what were you there?
I mean, they see a number, they see
any desk, you the numbers, but what
does it tell them?
So I'm not sure if I answered
the question sufficiently because I
haven't thought about it to the full
extent. But I would say,
you know, there isn't there is no stuff.
There is no personal sob stuff
on my computer.
OK.
Yeah, I think
we're done.
Thank you for your super inspiring.
Also, the questions.
Super interesting thing, and thank you so
much.
Hey, thank you.
And.
I don't have an idea what the next talk
is. Can someone shout what the next
talk is on this channel?
Yeah. So as we see here.
Yeah.
OK.
Hello. Hello.
You need to. You need to kneel down
before you.
OK, yes.
I know.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for your time.
And so I will switch
to German now because the next talk will
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